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SickEyeDiaz 3 Member Since: 7/18/11 Posts: 1424	Good thing we have you on here as the voice of reason. You have ignored this user.

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MrMead 76 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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fightsfan - Cesar does have a great team of MMA guys and he does seem to be one of the more business savvy and calmer than some of the other Gracies.

What is the Cesar Gracie roster and what is the LLoyd Irvin roster of fighters since the op brouhgt him up.

Diaz Brothers

Jake Shields

Gilbert Melendez

Was Dave Terrell on his team at some point?

Dave was Cesars first American Black Belt.

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Mitch Baker 1 Edited: 12/04/12 2:06 PM Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 7823	Terrell is still the worst of all the Cesar Gracie affiliates that you could ever find yourself facing. Most people don't know that when he fully transitioned over to MMA he was the most decorated jiu-jitsu competitor in North America. Our umbrella of affiliate schools is the home to a ton of both well known and relatively unknown jiu-jitsu and MMA talent. You have ignored this user.

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GSP'eedInMyMouth Member Since: 10/30/03 Posts: 15117	LilBrock maybe Cesar himself, promoting his own news by trolling me. You have ignored this user.

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GSP'eedInMyMouth

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Mitch Baker - Terrell is still the worst of all the Cesar Gracie affiliates that you could ever find yourself facing. Most people don't know that when he fully transitioned over to MMA he was the most decorated jiu-jitsu competitor in North America.

Our umbrella of affiliate schools is the home to a ton of both well known and relatively unknown jiu-jitsu and MMA talent.

Mitch, can you clear up Cesar's relationship to Nick, Nate, Gil, and Jake. How much coaching and management does he do.

I admittedly have assumed some things and have heard others from reputable sources, but I always thought Cesar was the umbrella manager, coach, spokesperson for all those guys despite them having family management.

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SpiderManBJJ

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A major difference between Cesar and other Brazilian coaches is that he has a REALLY loose attitude when it comes to training and business it seems.Cesar never got caught up in tradition and was one of the first BJJ Black Belts to teach NoGI.Back in the day we trained with heel hooks allowed since your first day in class(saw way more shoulder injuries than knee injuries).He never makes guys train a certain style and just lets them figure out what style they want to use.If you compare Terell,Diaz,and Shields,they are all totally different fighters.You wouldn't even think that they ever trained together or had the same instructor. On the business side, you never see big blowouts with guys leaving him because he doesn't sweat his students for opening their own schools.Its looking like you guys are more worried about his affiliations than he ever does.

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GSP'eedInMyMouth -
Mitch Baker - Terrell is still the worst of all the Cesar Gracie affiliates that you could ever find yourself facing. Most people don't know that when he fully transitioned over to MMA he was the most decorated jiu-jitsu competitor in North America.

Our umbrella of affiliate schools is the home to a ton of both well known and relatively unknown jiu-jitsu and MMA talent.

Mitch, can you clear up Cesar's relationship to Nick, Nate, Gil, and Jake. How much coaching and management does he do.

I admittedly have assumed some things and have heard others from reputable sources, but I always thought Cesar was the umbrella manager, coach, spokesperson for all those guys despite them having family management.

There's a lot to this but in a nutshell, the Cesar affiliate "scene" is kind of a hub and spoke type thing. Concord is the hub. Thats where all of the coaches that run their own spoke site academies came from (there is at least 1 substantial exception).

Each spoke site has it's own head, Terrell runs NCFA, Nick/Nate run Lodi, Gilbert runs SF, etc... Each of these gyms have their own fighters and basically are run as a stand alone entity.

However, there is fierce loyalty to "the affiliation" by all of the spoke gyms and it comes from the old school, "one flag" mentality and the political nature of team allegiance that a lot of people don't understand and cant really relate to.

As far as Cesar goes, he has a ton of personal time invested in guys like Nick/Nate/Gilber/Jake and he speaks on their behalf quite a bit.

I remember years ago when I was training with Bohlander; Cesar and his guys were like the bad guys from Karate Kid. Seems like thats the stigma we still maintain to a lot of the world. We're not bad guys. We just have a bunch of crazy dudes in charge. : )

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Mitch Baker 1 Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 7825	We/they will both train at their home gym and "bounce around." Thats the upside to the affiliation. You start to turn into a big fish in a small pond at your gym? Head out to any of the other gyms for a few days/weeks. We have some of the best and most well known fighters in the world. We also have some of the best guys that nobody has ever heard of. You have ignored this user.

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Mitch Baker 1 Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 7827	Hey, back atchya chief. I just broke even in the voting game! Thanks. You have ignored this user.

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GSP'eedInMyMouth - Cesar is probably the most intelligent guy an all of MMA. I'm not even kidding, I'm pretty sure he is a genius. A real life genius.

I've only been around him at tournaments but I've never witnessed someone appear so intelligent while talking. He seems like a doctor, and if he taught at a school it would be ivy league. His english is perfect not because he had some better instruction or longer in the US than other Gracies, it's because he is so smart.

He is hands down the best MMA coach in the world, doing more with less than anyone else out there. I don't see how you can argue that, but I'm sure the UG will. Everyone doubts his team, and their training methods, but they continue to prevail (without PED's EVER).

But the other side of Cesar is his masterful marketing of his guys, and himself, and all without the Lloyd Irvin computer SPAM system.

What Cesar does is RESPONDS to any news about his team immediately and semi-controversially, but calmly and usually respectfully. He draws out his response touching on many points. He makes people think and respond to his responses. He basically takes news and makes it bigger news, OVER AND OVER. Everytime. He never misses this stuff. He even posts repsonses on his own site. It's brilliant and intentional, and could only be done so craftily by someone so smart. Lloyd is trying his best, but he doesn't have 5 guys fighting for UFC belts, so he keeps his mouth/marketing to BJJ.

Some of you might try to talk Cesar down, but if you have never been around him IRL, you have no idea. Even the Shamrock fight. Cesar was there for his team, marketing, and a check. Knew he would lose, probably was glad it was fast.

I think he was douche concerning the Caio Terra situation Phone Post

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biva Member Since: 6/14/11 Posts: 377	He's intelligent enough to allow his fighters to test positive repeatedly, miss appointments and therefore title fights, miss charity jiu jitsu matches and he doesn't know the weigh in rules for the sport you claim hes the best coach in. I'm not hating, just stating facts. You have ignored this user.

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