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12/6/12 12:53 AM
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12/6/12 1:02 AM
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hedfunk must have people around him that feel so safe 

12/6/12 1:49 AM
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hedfunk - See this where you just start to ignore logic.

Yes, in that last video (I didn't watch the others but I'm guessing they were similar) a criminal is shot and stopped.

What If they'd missed and the criminal shoots them instead? This happens, you have to admit it.

If I confront a burglar in my house empty handed or with a gun, which situation is more likely to end in my death? The one in which the criminal feels he is in most danger.

Yeah losing stuff sucks, but material things can be replaced, your life can't. Phone Post
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12/6/12 2:26 AM
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hedfunk -  See this where you just start to ignore logic.

Yes, in that last video (I didn't watch the others but I'm guessing they were similar) a criminal is shot and stopped.

What If they'd missed and the criminal shoots them instead? This happens, you have to admit it.

If I confront a burglar in my house empty handed or with a gun, which situation is more likely to end in my death? The one in which the criminal feels he is in most danger.

Yeah losing stuff sucks, but material things can be replaced, your life can't. Phone Post

It always amazes me that gun control crowd resorts to the "next best" argument.

"What if they miss and the criminal shoots them instead?"

What if it turned out the criminal had no bullets or a non functioning gun, what if even the miss scares the hell out of him? Would that still be a success? This hypothetical can go on and on.



Here is one for you. The criminal in the video didn't cover his face, there are confessions from criminals who didn't cover their faces during robberies that said they walked into the store with the mindset of leaving no witnesses once they took the money.



If you confront a burglar and he has a weapon, you already upped your chances of him using it or at least attacking you. The feeling of him being in danger comes directly from the confrontation, they don't process things like robots, human, arm, gun. They just say oh shit the same way you would. The whole point of a gun is stopping the threat immediately. Homeowners aren't police officers yelling "Stop in the name of the law!" They are shooting the moment they see the burglar face to face, and as long as they reasonably feel the burglar posed a danger.


You also need to realize burglars already know that there is a chance they might be confronted with a gun, so the moment they see a homeowner it is similar to a police officer seeing a bad guy quickly move his hands and they shoot. If their fight or flight kicks in and it lands on fight, you having nothing in your hands guarantees someone is getting hurt and more than likely you, since you weren't expecting a fight.


A gun doesn't mean you have to go to the fight, it just means if the fight is near you or is brought to you, you are better equipped to end it.
Burglars here actually know that there is no chance of the house they are robbing being armed. I could pick 50 houses near me now and I guarantee none of them have a gun. Similarly the amount of criminals that are armed is seriously fucking low, you act as if all criminals have a gun and that we are helpless, it's not the case at all.

Guns are not needed and I'm glad, I don't want to live in a society like yours with a homicide rate 668 times higher. Phone Post
12/6/12 3:20 AM
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That girl was Carol Roth was on Pierce Morgan's show tonight and Bob Costas was on O'Reilly if anyone wants to YouTube it. Phone Post
12/6/12 4:15 AM
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RobinHood - Most Americans don't own guns.

Only freaks, cops and crims have guns.

Only a freak expects to be a victim of a home invasion. Seriously, 'I have a gun b/c I expect a home invasion',

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12/6/12 5:23 AM
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Shogun of Harlem - Hey Brits...



Shut the fuck up!
Woah!! I'm a Brit and I fully support the American way of dealing with intruders etc.

Anyone entering your home with ill intentions should be prepared for pain and or death.

They are not victims and deserve zero sympathy/empathy if and when the homeowner 'deals' with them.

Fuck em. Phone Post
12/6/12 6:10 AM
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The amount of stupid in this thread is amazing Phone Post
12/6/12 6:13 AM
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jasonhightower - It's an ignorant, short sided perspective. Lets just ignore all the root causes and blame the guns. Hell, look at Sweden... They issue guns to all men for military reasons, arming the country in essence, and they have one of the lowest crime rates in the world. Phone Post
They also limit the types of guns you can have and the number of bullets. Phone Post
12/6/12 6:20 AM
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Sorry, they give you a certain number of bullets.

Also, in Switzerland guns are registered and stores have to keep records of ammo sold.

People make the mistake of thinking gun control = no guns.

That is not the case.

Canada has very strict gun laws but a very high per capita gun ownership rate. Phone Post
12/6/12 6:23 AM
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Alright Brits, explain what these women should have done differently.





12/6/12 6:26 AM
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RobinHood -  The number of incidents of 'home invasions' is so low, you have more chance of a seagull pecking your eyes out.

You gun needing freaks need psychological medication. Phone Post

Same goes for car accidents, but I'm sure you still buckle up for safety.
12/6/12 6:37 AM
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The US has the highest gun ownership rate in the world - an average of 88 per 100 people. That puts it first in the world for gun ownership - and even the number two country, Yemen, has significantly fewer - 54.8 per 100 people

But the US does not have the worst firearm murder rate - that prize belongs to Honduras, El Salvador and Jamaica. In fact, the US is number 28, with a rate of 2.97 per 100,000 people.
12/6/12 6:46 AM
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ksac - So I can has a nuclear weapon then?
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Well, it seems to illegal to own one. According to this woman, it shouldn't be so. I may need to protect myself from the government (big argument made against gun control) using the the "same weaponry".

Basically I'm saying the argument is far from being a simple one.

Basically, it shows that Piers Morgan is a moron.

The second amendment was written to protect Americans from douches like Piers Morgan.
You need a gun to protect yourself from an uppity English TV personality? I love my guns but that's some sissy shit right there. No need to be hysterical to make your point. Phone Post
12/6/12 6:47 AM
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lol @ the gun control weenies voting me down a bunch of times because I called hedfunk a stupid moron.  

12/6/12 6:57 AM
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With the exception of hedfunk, I like how the gun control advocates won't comment on the videos I post.
12/6/12 7:04 AM
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Here's one that warms my heart, aaawwww...

12/6/12 7:13 AM
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If there were no guns, there would be no gun violence. But there would still be violence, and not everyone is an OG Ninja Warrior. The right to protect oneself from grave danger is fundamental, as it's both deeply rooted in our legal tradition and necessary for ordered liberty. Handguns are an effective means of self-defense. See Heller and McDonald for sources.
12/6/12 7:27 AM
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For RobinHood, GapingAxeWound, hedfunk, and even 3rdLion:

Good thing this woman didn't have a gun, according to your logic, it must be the only reason she's alive.

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Another issue with Piers' method of interpretation is that he ignores the 9A, which states: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." This establishes a rule of construction that constitutional rights should be read broadly. Of course, he's not the only one ignoring the 9A.
12/6/12 7:33 AM
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Another gun free crime in a gun free home in a Pro Gun Control State.

12/6/12 7:42 AM
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evad6317 - For RobinHood, GapingAxeWound, hedfunk, and even 3rdLion:

Good thing this woman didn't have a gun, according to your logic, it must be the only reason she's alive.

LOL I'm not a gun control advocate

I think anyone without a criminal record should be able to own whatever they want

This thread was about a cunt on American tv talking about American issues

Do you think everyone in the UK sits around talking about American gun OWNERS? NO ONE GIVES A FUCK

There's nothing stopping people in the UK owning shotguns and rifles, if people were so worried about crime they would arm themselves

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12/6/12 7:52 AM
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I rig my house with explosives each and every night. You can't be too prepared. Phone Post
12/6/12 8:01 AM
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evad6317 - The US has the highest gun ownership rate in the world - an average of 88 per 100 people. That puts it first in the world for gun ownership - and even the number two country, Yemen, has significantly fewer - 54.8 per 100 people

But the US does not have the worst firearm murder rate - that prize belongs to Honduras, El Salvador and Jamaica. In fact, the US is number 28, with a rate of 2.97 per 100,000 people.
WOW!!

The US has a lower murder rate than some 3rd world countries

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12/6/12 8:07 AM
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I am mostly with the yanks on this one.

I absolutley think you should be able to own a gun, for you own house at least. When it comes to your own house and someone breaking in I believe the home owner should be judge , jury and executioner.

It actually sickens me that a Judge sitting in his ivory tower , with a massive house with loads of securtity can pass judgment on how I should protect myself or my family when some header breaks into my home ( or even attacks meon the street). Its ok for them to have an idealistic view of how you should restrain someone when they never have to deal with it.

I also disagree with people having a criminal record not being allowed one. What if you make one mistake? That mean you lose the right to defend yourself?

What if all you have done is defend yourself but the other guy ends up hurt and the ensuing court case doesnt go your way? Should you lose the right to defend yourself then? Not everyone with a record deserves it, and there is plenty of violent mentalists out there who dont have a record.

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