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UnderGround Forum >> Johny Hendricks committing career suicide
| 12/6/12 9:54 PM | |
huggy bear
Member Since: 6/12/12 Posts: 396 |
Seth -You do know that fighters are independent contractors and can accept or decline any fight they want to. 
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| 12/6/12 10:00 PM | |
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Seth
Member Since: 5/30/06 Posts: 2207 |
huggy bear -You do know that they can't work for anyone else, they have to show up to certain non fight events and work. They also have their medical paid for by the UFC. Use whatever legal language you want to, they are essentially employees and if they don't perform they get fired.Seth -You do know that fighters are independent contractors and can accept or decline any fight they want to.
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| 12/6/12 10:02 PM | |
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Seth
Member Since: 5/30/06 Posts: 2208 |
To clarify I never said they can't decline fights. I meant no say in if they get a title shot next, etc.
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| 12/6/12 10:06 PM | |
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IIAces
Member Since: 10/17/11 Posts: 249 |
huggy bear -How do they get insurance from zuffa if they aren't employees? You have to be an employee. I own a company and have sub/independent contractors. I can't put them on my companies insurance because they aren't considered employees.Seth -You do know that fighters are independent contractors and can accept or decline any fight they want to. I'm not able to be put on all the builders insurance that I do jobs on. In fact they made me prove and carry insurance.
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| 12/6/12 10:07 PM | |
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Seth
Member Since: 5/30/06 Posts: 2209 |
IIAces -Thank you.huggy bear -How do they get insurance from zuffa if they aren't employees? You have to be an employee. I own a company and have sub/independent contractors. I can't put them on my companies insurance because they aren't considered employees.Seth -You do know that fighters are independent contractors and can accept or decline any fight they want to.
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| 12/6/12 10:19 PM | |
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IIAces
Member Since: 10/17/11 Posts: 250 |
I can accept or decline any job too. Decline a job or two and they will find someone else to give the jobs to instead of me. Either way its a dumb move to make when competition is high in your field of work if your a sub/independent contractor. If the division was weak, you can use this as power play. Otherwise you shoot yourself in the foot.
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| 12/6/12 11:32 PM | |
The Sauce
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Member Since: 10/24/03 Posts: 4730 |
Don't bite the hand partner..
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| 12/6/12 11:51 PM | |
FOX Force Five
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Member Since: 11/12/11 Posts: 652 |
Gfropr - If you want a big fan base and the boys money that follows, you have to be put yourself out there. It would be like the Saints saying there not gonna play football the rest of the year cause there's no shot at the playoffs, bad analogy but I kind of got it LOL. Sadly, the Bills would never start a season. :( |
| 12/7/12 10:59 AM | |
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IIAces
Member Since: 10/17/11 Posts: 252 |
Rockcod -Show me where independent contractors, in any state, get that benefit. It doesn't happen. It could be a clause in the contract and all, but that's about it.IIAces -huggy bear -How do they get insurance from zuffa if they aren't employees? You have to be an employee. I own a company and have sub/independent contractors. I can't put them on my companies insurance because they aren't considered employees.Seth -You do know that fighters are independent contractors and can accept or decline any fight they want to. I get to go to many states for home restoration for disasters. I've have a drywall company in Texas. I have to carry my own insurance for both companies at all times. I have to up my insurance on some jobs. I have never been to Nevada to work but not all fights happen in Nevada either. I have been to all the southern coast states though. My employees have insurance through me. My crews(sub contractors) have to have their own insurance.
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| 12/7/12 11:00 AM | |
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IIAces
Member Since: 10/17/11 Posts: 253 |
FOX Force Five -lol. That was a good one.Gfropr - If you want a big fan base and the boys money that follows, you have to be put yourself out there. It would be like the Saints saying there not gonna play football the rest of the year cause there's no shot at the playoffs, bad analogy but I kind of got it LOL.
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| 12/7/12 11:33 AM | |
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UGCTT croy_00
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Member Since: 12/23/10 Posts: 3349 |
Hendricks should just keep training his ground game off his back in case he does get the shot one day.
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| 12/7/12 11:35 AM | |
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Jill Laz
Member Since: 9/8/11 Posts: 291 |
Nonlinear -In a way your right BUT it's a fine line to be on he has to be careful
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| 12/7/12 11:42 AM | |
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sacredhate
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Member Since: 10/16/07 Posts: 13841 |
Jill Laz -Nonlinear -In a way your right BUT it's a fine line to be on he has to be careful the difference is that with Diaz it's who he is...to the point that it baffles and frustrates Dana...remember, Diaz has been put in the penalty box before too...his history with the UFC runs much deeper, his career much longer, and his fan base more passionate. Hendricks has demonstrated some skill...but he doesn't have the personality, intrigue, fan base, history, and money making ability right now that Diaz does. |
| 12/7/12 11:44 AM | |
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rampageforpresident
Member Since: 1/12/09 Posts: 1256 |
his career's disease killed his career is the proper way of stating this |
| 12/7/12 11:50 AM | |
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chawkins
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Member Since: 12/14/05 Posts: 2448 |
Dana already stated that Hendricks isn't in a position to demand anything. That's it right there, case closed. They'll offer him fights, and if he passes on them, he'll lose whatever semblance of a case for a title shot he has. Hendricks is not a name, he does not have a big following, he does not sell PPVs or tickets in any appreciable quantity. What he DOES have going for him is that he wins fights and does so in a way that makes people happy. So, the smart move here is to keep putting head out. Eventually his name will grow and the wins will stack up such that they won't be able to deny him. |
| 12/7/12 11:58 AM | |
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Lazer MMA
Member Since: 4/24/12 Posts: 4626 |
Jason - It is what it is, and if he and Hendo and Weidman asked to be released I'd respect that too. This is being played like MMAE (entertainment), a sport is legit or no. There is no middle ground even as there must be across the board random testing. Anyone one can figure out right now the promoters and fighters who are wearing the clown shoes. |
| 12/7/12 4:13 PM | |
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Jill Laz
Member Since: 9/8/11 Posts: 292 |
sacredhate -I think a lot of these guys see Chael Sonen and they all think they can talk there way into a fight or a belt but you need to have the personality for it and the longevity Hendricks has to put more of both under his beltJill Laz -Nonlinear -In a way your right BUT it's a fine line to be on he has to be careful
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