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Did Rory Just Break Into The Top 20 Welterweights?

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12/9/12 4:30 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
MachidasStraightLeft 355 Member Since: 9/16/12 Posts: 198	1. GSP 2. Johny Hendricks 3. Carlos Condit 4. Jon Fitch 5. Nick Diaz 6. Rory Macdonald 7. Martin Kampmann 8. Jake Ellenberger 9. Josh Koscheck 10. Demian Maia You have ignored this user.

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OnlyTheStrongSurvive 255 Member Since: 1/29/11 Posts: 9123	Ip Man 81 - Pessimist_Pete - In no particular order, GSP, Hendricks, Diaz, Alves, Maia, Fitch, Ellenberger, Kampman, Condit, Shields, maybe Koscheck Rory is probably 18 or 19 on my list U can't even name 18 welterweights I bet Theres really about 17 guys you could make an argument for being top 20 at welterweight. It's very deep right now. You have ignored this user.

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OnlyTheStrongSurvive 255 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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Pessimist_Pete - In no particular order, GSP, Hendricks, Diaz, Alves, Maia, Fitch, Ellenberger, Kampman, Condit, Shields, maybe Koscheck

Rory is probably 18 or 19 on my list
U can't even name 18 welterweights I bet
Theres really about 17 guys you could make an argument for being top 20 at welterweight. It's very deep right now.

Top 10 I mean. Oops Phone Post

12/10/12 2:04 AM

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Kings21 2 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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MachidasStraightLeft -
1. GSP

2. Johny Hendricks

3. Carlos Condit

4. Jon Fitch

5. Nick Diaz

6. Rory Macdonald

7. Martin Kampmann

8. Jake Ellenberger

9. Josh Koscheck

10. Demian Maia

Man..I think the guy is talented and will absolutely be in the top 10 but just using this list as an example, theres no way Id put Rory right now above anyone on that list. His best wins are against lightweights and he lost to Condit, it doesnt matter if he was winning. He lost and thats that. Is he talented, sure but he has not done anything to put him above the likes of Kampmann, Ellenberger, Koshchek or Maia.

You can argue that he wins impressively but Cruickshank just won very impressively and I wouldnt rank him anywhere near the top of his division either.

You cant rank people based on the impressiveness of the wins IMO unless its a p4p debate.

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MeGusta Edited: 12/10/12 2:22 AM Member Since: 2/17/12 Posts: 99	9/10, well trolled You have ignored this user.

12/10/12 2:21 AM

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<blockquote>Kings21 - <blockquote>MachidasStraightLeft - 
1. GSP

2. Johny Hendricks

3. Carlos Condit

4. Jon Fitch 

5. Nick Diaz

6. Rory Macdonald

7. Martin Kampmann

8. Jake Ellenberger

9. Josh Koscheck

10. Demian Maia</blockquote> Man..I think the guy is talented and will absolutely be in the top 10 but just using this list as an example, theres no way Id put Rory right now above anyone on that list. His best wins are against lightweights and he lost to Condit, it doesnt matter if he was winning. He lost and thats that. Is he talented, sure but he has not done anything to put him above the likes of Kampmann, Ellenberger, Koshchek or Maia. You can argue that he wins impressively but Cruickshank just won very impressively and I wouldnt rank him anywhere near the top of his division either. You cant rank people based on the impressiveness of the wins IMO unless its a p4p debate.</blockquote> Maybe you can't rank based on impressiveness of the wins if you're a professional MMA journalist, but it's the most logical way to gauge a fighter's skill. If one fighter gets three victories in a row because his opponents blow out their knees ala Patrick Cote vs Anderson Silva, Sherdog might rank him in the top 10... but I'm certainly not gonna bet on him like he's a top 10 fighter. Edit: Not that I agree with that list anyway.

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MachidasStraightLeft 355 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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Kings21 -
MachidasStraightLeft -
1. GSP

2. Johny Hendricks

3. Carlos Condit

4. Jon Fitch

5. Nick Diaz

6. Rory Macdonald

7. Martin Kampmann

8. Jake Ellenberger

9. Josh Koscheck

10. Demian Maia

Man..I think the guy is talented and will absolutely be in the top 10 but just using this list as an example, theres no way Id put Rory right now above anyone on that list. His best wins are against lightweights and he lost to Condit, it doesnt matter if he was winning. He lost and thats that. Is he talented, sure but he has not done anything to put him above the likes of Kampmann, Ellenberger, Koshchek or Maia.

You can argue that he wins impressively but Cruickshank just won very impressively and I wouldnt rank him anywhere near the top of his division either.

You cant rank people based on the impressiveness of the wins IMO unless its a p4p debate.

BJ Penn is a legit win and his performance was outstanding. I don't care if he's best suited as a lightweight, he's still an excellent welterweight.

He also dominated Nate Diaz, who also handled himself well as a WW. He finished Davis and Markham and had a pretty close fight with Kim, who has been pretty good in the UFC as well.

I'll concede that the BJ win is his only win over a truly legit oppent, but the nature of that performance and the dominance of his other wins, combined with the fact that he had an ultra-competitive fight against Condit, I have no problem putting Rory in the top 10.

Taking your points into consideration I'd probably put him at 9, ahead of Maia.

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MasterofMartialArts 55 Member Since: 10/9/10 Posts: 4246	YourMomMadeMeTap - POST YOUR TOP 10 OR GTFO This You have ignored this user.

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Juice Box Member Since: 4/5/12 Posts: 82	Pessimist_Pete - In no particular order, GSP, Hendricks, Diaz, Alves, Maia, Fitch, Ellenberger, Kampman, Condit, Shields, maybe Koscheck Rory is probably 18 or 19 on my list Alves is top ten and rory isn't....LOL You have ignored this user.

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VictorG 1 Member Since: 8/7/12 Posts: 120	He was definetly on my top 10 before the BJ fight now at the top 5. You have ignored this user.

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bigJ6464 1 Member Since: 4/1/11 Posts: 316	How is he not top 5? You have ignored this user.

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Entreri Member Since: 12/25/05 Posts: 24662	OP is either a troll or a retard, possibly both. VTFU As for Rory, in terms of talent, easily top 5. Rankings, definitely top 10. You have ignored this user.

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Pessimist_Pete Member Since: 9/3/12 Posts: 881	klabo - Pessimist_Pete - He just got his first win against a top 20 welterweight. You guys think he will be in the top 10 by this time next year? You're the worst poster on the UG. Well done You mean "your"? Also, its Oxy more on to say worst poster on UG because your the worst poster and there can't be two worst posters. discuss thanx You have ignored this user.

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Ruin Edited: 12/12/12 1:08 AM Member Since: 10/24/12 Posts: 27	1. GSP 2. Hendricks 3. Condit 4. Diaz 5. Kampmann 6. Ellenberger 7. Fitch 8. Maia 9. Koscheck 10. Marquardt (order doesnt really matter) Then outside of that is Mike Pierce, Ben Askren, Tyrone Woodley, DHK, Rory etc I'd say close to top 15 You have ignored this user.

12/12/12 2:22 AM

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LilBrockonmychest -
Sherdog currently has Nick Diaz at #4.

His last 5 fights, all at WW are KJ Noons, Cyborg Santos, Daley, Penn, and a loss to Condit. Nick is 6-5 in the UFC.

In Rory's last 5, he also has a loss to Condit and win over BJ, but wins over Nate Diaz, Pyle, and Che Mills. Rory is 5-1 in the UFC.

If Nick is #4, Rory should be taking that spot and bumping Nick to #5 as his wins are all UFC and more impressive wins over more impressive talent.

Agreed.

12/12/12 3:26 AM

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klabo -
Pessimist_Pete - He just got his first win against a top 20 welterweight. You guys think he will be in the top 10 by this time next year?
You're the worst poster on the UG. Well done
You mean "your"? Also, its Oxy more on to say worst poster on UG because your the worst poster and there can't be two worst posters. discuss thanx

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BJ_Penmanship -
Pessimist_Pete -
klabo -
Pessimist_Pete - He just got his first win against a top 20 welterweight. You guys think he will be in the top 10 by this time next year?
You're the worst poster on the UG. Well done
You mean "your"? Also, its Oxy more on to say worst poster on UG because your the worst poster and there can't be two worst posters. discuss thanx
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*You're... As in: You Are not so bright... Your... As in: Your understanding of English is at a 5th grade level.

(I'm not such a grammar nazi, but you brought it on yourself)

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ILoveWatchingJonesBoneShogun Member Since: 2/27/08 Posts: 15813	Beating BJ Penn puts him in the top 20 since BJ is probably 17th or 18th but no way he is top 10. You could make the case that he has top 10 talent but there is no case you can make for him to be ranked in the top 10 You have ignored this user.

12/12/12 3:23 PM

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ILoveWatchingJonesBoneShogun - Beating BJ Penn puts him in the top 20 since BJ is probably 17th or 18th but no way he is top 10. You could make the case that he has top 10 talent but there is no case you can make for him to be ranked in the top 10

And this is what I've been saying about Nick Diaz as he's in the same boat. He may have the talent to be top 10 ranked but has not beat anyone to get there.

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Pessimist_Pete Member Since: 9/3/12 Posts: 904	ILoveWatchingJonesBoneShogun - Beating BJ Penn puts him in the top 20 since BJ is probably 17th or 18th but no way he is top 10. You could make the case that he has top 10 talent but there is no case you can make for him to be ranked in the top 10 I second this emotion. You have ignored this user.

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