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Does BJ Penn have the worst cornermen in MMA?

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12/9/12 7:53 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
Heel Hooker Member Since: 10/16/12 Posts: 231	Different fighters like different things from their corners. Some like yes men to hype them, some like technical advice. You have ignored this user.

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PhallicObjekt Member Since: 11/1/12 Posts: 77	Ya Mon - Squandered talent although I agree he could have been greater than what he achieved a multi weight class ufc champ is hardly something I would consider squandered You have ignored this user.

12/9/12 8:19 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
kyoshi 4 Member Since: 1/9/10 Posts: 6	Just think what Penn could have been had he stuck at 155 and joined a different fight camp. Didn't Cesar Gracie make him an offer after the Diaz fight? You have ignored this user.

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BrattMamley 175 Member Since: 8/18/11 Posts: 1387	Upper left...obviously You have ignored this user.

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RKing85 52 Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 16062	Hammer House guys have the title of "Worst CornerMen of the year" locked up for another 100 years still. You have ignored this user.

12/9/12 8:34 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
Kimbos Bread Member Since: 4/11/10 Posts: 3003	Old Thrashbarg - Its a close race between BJs corner men and Rampage's wolfslair corner men. It's tough to beat that obnoxious "FIND YOUR RANGE!! FIND YOUR RAAAANGE!!!!" This x 10000000000 You have ignored this user.

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AnthonyMMA 2 Member Since: 3/17/06 Posts: 1347	Worse cornermen in life!! You have ignored this user.

12/9/12 9:29 PM

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BrCutter 126 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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john joe - on par with Coleman's crew at UFC 93 against Shogun

"He cant hurt you Mark! Youre a legend! Youre a fuckin legend! That didnt do shit! he cant hurt you because youre a legend!"

as Shogun was uppercutting the fuck out of him

Jesus, I try to block that out of my head. Along with my man getting crushed, I got to hear that shit. That was the problem with Hammerhouse; they didn't have anybody besides themselves. When Mark went to Couture's, he instantly got better. Mike Pyle is one of THE best cornermen in the game and along with being at Randy's.

12/9/12 10:14 PM

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mbalz izhairy

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I got a sick idea, instead of flying jay hieron and tyrone woodley to Hilo, why not spend a month down in Brazil with the guy who gave you your black belt and is the best MMA coach in the world? Maybe train a little bit with Andre Pederneiras Jose Aldo and crew? Maybe have Andre P work your corner even.
Guarantee you'll hear some better things than " Lower your heart rate down " and "You're beating him in the standup, throw the left,right ,left!"

12/9/12 11:15 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
plasticonoband 8 Member Since: 1/29/08 Posts: 348	I remember having this conversation a while ago with some friends. One fight (edgar fight) all i heard from BJ's corner was "smash him, smash him". Kept thinking to myself that a corner should have more to say when their guy is losing shouldnt they? You have ignored this user.

12/9/12 11:37 PM

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UGCTT_picanoc231

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FreightTrain -
UGCTT_picanoc231 -
Silverball - Penn hasn't been the same since Rudy V left.

Remember in the second Edgar fight when Rogan called out BJ's corner for doing exactly the same thing they were doing last night? MMA is not the best arena for not learning from your mistakes.
"Catch this little cocksucker!"

That's great technical advice, if I've ever heard it.

They seriously said that?

Sad if true.

Either 2nd or 3rd round, iirc. Ill try to dig it up. Phone Post

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Rear Naked Chode 176 Member Since: 11/20/12 Posts: 215	JakodaRay - I loved what they told him after the 1st round "Just scrap BJ!" They're almost as good as Mark Coleman "Yeah Kev! GO KEV! You got im' Kev! YEAH KEV YEEEAH! Go for him Kev! Yes Kev, YES! That's how you do it Kev! No Kev! Go KEV!" Breeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaatttttthhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!! You have ignored this user.

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Alistair Overstream 15 Member Since: 12/11/11 Posts: 281	I remember bringing this up after the second edgar fight...saying that "the little cocksucker doesn't belong in there with you" this is after BJ had been handled by Frankie for 3 rounds or so can't expect to be at the top if you surround yourself with yes men who will never tell you if you're doing something wrong You have ignored this user.

12/10/12 5:55 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
genkisudosrobotdance Edited: 12/10/12 5:56 AM Member Since: 2/1/12 Posts: 3	<blockquote>Smellde Gluve - Yeah, that dude with the sunglasses had meth-intensity to his cheer leading.</blockquote><br /> ^This^. BJ seems like a smart guy but having a guy like that corner him makes me wonder. Did he win a competition to get to hang with BJ for a day and couldn't control himself? You have ignored this user.

12/10/12 9:56 AM

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disbeliever 139 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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stillmatic -
It's frustrating that he can never make an in-fight adjustment. Big part of that is definitely the corner never being able to give him clear and technical instructions. Instead, they're just trying to pump him up and that inevitably fails. I've never been a big fan of him constantly switching the team around him and it clearly shows in the inconsistency of his performance. He doesn't want to leave Hawaii and be away from his family, which is understandable but the days of running your own camp are more or less done. Nobody is having success doing that anymore.

I have said this for years. He makes no in ring adjustments, and if his original game plan (if he had any) doesn't work, it's over.

When BJ uses all of his skills (wrestling, BJJ, boxing) he's a beast. He took Edgar down and got top position, and he mauled Fitch for 2 rounds. Where is that BJ?

12/10/12 10:00 AM

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sacredhate 60 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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disbeliever -
stillmatic -
It's frustrating that he can never make an in-fight adjustment. Big part of that is definitely the corner never being able to give him clear and technical instructions. Instead, they're just trying to pump him up and that inevitably fails. I've never been a big fan of him constantly switching the team around him and it clearly shows in the inconsistency of his performance. He doesn't want to leave Hawaii and be away from his family, which is understandable but the days of running your own camp are more or less done. Nobody is having success doing that anymore.

I have said this for years. He makes no in ring adjustments, and if his original game plan (if he had any) doesn't work, it's over.

When BJ uses all of his skills (wrestling, BJJ, boxing) he's a beast. He took Edgar down and got top position, and he mauled Fitch for 2 rounds. Where is that BJ?

yeah...the day and age of I'll just show up and figure it out in the ring are gone.

all the most successful guys go in with plans, and they can count on their corner men to see and analyze things in the fight that the fighter themselves cannot.

with BJ it's always one guy against a team on fight night. i'm not sure it would have made a difference against rory, but it's definitely held him back.

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allforroy 11 Member Since: 4/11/10 Posts: 793	BrattMamley - Upper left...obviously Someone should romo Moe , Larry and Curly on those fellows. You have ignored this user.

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Slap Maxwell 48 Member Since: 2/28/07 Posts: 9174	Was it Mike Pierce who had the guy that was texting between rounds and even made him open his own water? You have ignored this user.

12/10/12 11:47 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
mrgoodarmbar 35 Member Since: 11/10/05 Posts: 3083	You can count on 1 hand the number of times that bj has taken the fight to the ground and fought from the top... It's a shame. You have ignored this user.

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