OtherGround Forum >> Special Audit From The State *Question*

They probably already audited him, which is how they found out about you. There is no other way. They can't see your bank records until they officially open audit case against you.

At this point, you shouldn't lie. Unless you want to be heavily fined, go to court, or go to jail over a fucking boat. 

I'd go see the guy in person. Don't call him. Don't email him. Ask him if he's been audited. Then google the boat and year and see if your claim matches what others are saying its worth. 

We love you, we'll write every week I promise. don't drop the soap.

Just kidding.

Say he owed you money for something (consulting services...hired work, etc), and you paid him the difference after he offered the boat. Explain to whoever you talked to that the large sum of money was for gambling, which you subsequently lost. 

Retired Douchebag - 

Say he owed you money for something (consulting services...hired work, etc), and you paid him the difference after he offered the boat. Explain to whoever you talked to that the large sum of money was for gambling, which you subsequently lost. 

The first half of your suggestion sounds good. But what if gambling isn't legal in his state? What if they want him to prove he visited said casino? 

Authority Figure - 

Retired Douchebag - 

Say he owed you money for something (consulting services...hired work, etc), and you paid him the difference after he offered the boat. Explain to whoever you talked to that the large sum of money was for gambling, which you subsequently lost. 

The first half of your suggestion sounds good. But what if gambling isn't legal in his state? What if they want him to prove he visited said casino? 

Gambling is legal in 48 states, in some form or another. How do I know? I work in this industry. The last two hold outs are Utah and Hawaii. I didn't need to google this info. As for gambling excuses, a lot of our top players always discuss the legalities of their gambling losses. Having worked in management, we are forced to take classes about this subject. 

Whilst casinos are held responsible to track losses, they are only supposed to do so if the amount is over $3,000. A jackpot is only considered if it is won and is over $1,200. But that is within a 24 hour period. Furthermore, no guest is required to sign up for 'player's club card,' also called "player tracking" on the casino side. The player tracking records track the entire year, and lifetime, that a guest has been to that property. But again, no guest is required by state or federal law, to sign up for this card. 

Something you probably don't know about modern surveillance systems is that most properties opt to hold only 14 days worth of video evidence on their servers. Past 14 days and the hard drives containing this evidence is 'maintenanced' by the system and deleted, unless there was a saved surveillance video by the surveillance department (usually for counseling, or writing up an employee fuck up, or criminal investigation with local/state/federal authorities). In this way, there is no way to prove or disprove that OP was at the casino.

Retired Douchebag -

Authority Figure - 

Retired Douchebag - 

Say he owed you money for something (consulting services...hired work, etc), and you paid him the difference after he offered the boat. Explain to whoever you talked to that the large sum of money was for gambling, which you subsequently lost. 

The first half of your suggestion sounds good. But what if gambling isn't legal in his state? What if they want him to prove he visited said casino? 

Gambling is legal in 48 states, in some form or another. How do I know? I work in this industry. The last two hold outs are Utah and Hawaii. I didn't need to google this info. As for gambling excuses, a lot of our top players always discuss the legalities of their gambling losses. Having worked in management, we are forced to take classes about this subject. 

Whilst casinos are held responsible to track losses, they are only supposed to do so if the amount is over $3,000. A jackpot is only considered if it is won and is over $1,200. But that is within a 24 hour period. Furthermore, no guest is required to sign up for 'player's club card,' also called "player tracking" on the casino side. The player tracking records track the entire year, and lifetime, that a guest has been to that property. But again, no guest is required by state or federal law, to sign up for this card. 

Something you probably don't know about modern surveillance systems is that most properties opt to hold only 14 days worth of video evidence on their servers. Past 14 days and the hard drives containing this evidence is 'maintenanced' by the system and deleted, unless there was a saved surveillance video by the surveillance department (usually for counseling, or writing up an employee fuck up, or criminal investigation with local/state/federal authorities). In this way, there is no way to prove or disprove that OP was at the casino.

If this is over a few hundred bucks, I wouldn't fuck with them.  Not going to be worth your time or effort to have them crawling up your ass.  Especially when you're NOT going to have any documentation that will satisfy them (like the boat was trashed and you have $5000 in receipts to refurbish it).

Say he owed you money for something (consulting services...hired work, etc),

They're going to say, "Neither of you have receipts or records of any of those services rendered?"

Fuck, even old handy men I've used to do work around my house always had me sign a work order.  That shit won't fly.

Not worth the trouble for what I assume is a few hundred bucks.

Mayfield -  The boat was not in working condission when you bought it. You paid x amount for it. Any other money you spent was to get it opperational.

This.

rufus - 

Say he owed you money for something (consulting services...hired work, etc),

They're going to say, "Neither of you have receipts or records of any of those services rendered?"

Fuck, even old handy men I've used to do work around my house always had me sign a work order.  That shit won't fly.

Not worth the trouble for what I assume is a few hundred bucks.

You don't need to keep receipts unless you're a business, and even still, those receipts are easy to fake. If you are a private entity, or private citizen conducting services rendered, all you need is an oral contract. 

rufus - 

If this is over a few hundred bucks, I wouldn't fuck with them.  Not going to be worth your time or effort to have them crawling up your ass.  Especially when you're NOT going to have any documentation that will satisfy them (like the boat was trashed and you have $5000 in receipts to refurbish it).

Dougie - 

Mayfield -  The boat was not in working condission when you bought it. You paid x amount for it. Any other money you spent was to get it opperational.

This.

This sounds fairly legit as well :) 

Fighting - 

rufus - 

If this is over a few hundred bucks, I wouldn't fuck with them.  Not going to be worth your time or effort to have them crawling up your ass.  Especially when you're NOT going to have any documentation that will satisfy them (like the boat was trashed and you have $5000 in receipts to refurbish it).

The difference they want is 700.00.

Pay it. Don't lie. 

Good luck.

(base cost of a lawyer is $500).