UnderGround Forum >> Met a guy who claimed Rorion Gracie ducked him 87'

Well, he had to be in his 50's when this 'happened'. If the Glover part checks out it could've been that he proposed some kind of BS match that Rorian laughed off. Old man calls it a duck.

A British Boxer recently proposed a fight with Cain Velasquez, Cain won't take it but you can bet that Boxer will be saying that he ducked him when he gets to be 60.

Probably some truth there.

He's a con man, pro con men get their stories perfect and have no holes. He's obviously good at it. Cross-reference his name with databases or try to get a hold of Glover by some means, maybe twitter, to see if that last part checks out.

As far as the $100k challenge goes, was there ever really a $100k challenge? From every bit of information that came out, it sounds like it was just a $100k bet between Rorion and Benny Urquidez that rumor stems from. Is there any substantial evidence that anyone who could win won $100k?

(Edit: I see the post above me cleared that up. Both parties placed $100k on the line for the challenge.)

To your second point, I can say I trained with Gerard Gordeau, it doesn't make it true. 

In summation, unless this guy was actually Benny Urquidez, he was lying. Even if he said he was Benny Urquidez, he's still likely lying.

Myth Busted.

bjjdna - I trained tga almost daily from 95-97 and they would get calls from people wanting to accept the challenge but without putting up the 100k in advance.

Those that called and showed up without the money got whooped for free. I believe Rorion was still teaching out of his garage in 87, and he did not open tga until 89.

ABE FROMAN - 

Well, he had to be in his 50's when this 'happened'. If the Glover part checks out it could've been that he proposed some kind of BS match that Rorian laughed off. Old man calls it a duck.

A British Boxer recently proposed a fight with Cain Velasquez, Cain won't take it but you can bet that Boxer will be saying that he ducked him when he gets to be 60.

 

Good points.

Thatsjustlikeyouropinionman - 

SonofJockstrap -

He's a con man, pro con men get their stories perfect and have no holes. He's obviously good at it. Cross-reference his name with databases or try to get a hold of Glover by some means, maybe twitter, to see if that last part checks out.

As far as the $100k challenge goes, was there ever really a $100k challenge? From every bit of information that came out, it sounds like it was just a $100k bet between Rorion and Benny Urquidez that rumor stems from. Is there any substantial evidence that anyone who could win won $100k?

(Edit: I see the post above me cleared that up. Both parties placed $100k on the line for the challenge.)

To your second point, I can say I trained with Gerard Gordeau, it doesn't make it true. 

In summation, unless this guy was actually Benny Urquidez, he was lying. Even if he said he was Benny Urquidez, he's still likely lying.

Myth Busted.

Where's the con?

I guess he may not being trying to make any money, just a good liar I guess. Either way it's highly unlikely he's being entirely truthful.

ABE FROMAN - 

Well, he had to be in his 50's when this 'happened'. If the Glover part checks out it could've been that he proposed some kind of BS match that Rorian laughed off. Old man calls it a duck.

A British Boxer recently proposed a fight with Cain Velasquez, Cain won't take it but you can bet that Boxer will be saying that he ducked him when he gets to be 60.

 

This particularly story might be BS, but seriously, if the Gracies want to market GJJ as a superior self-defense art, the Gracie Challenge should have allways been anything goes.

There's a video of a teenage Ryron destroying a bigger, older guy, but it was not even close to being a real self-defense situation. 

What I want to see is (and I know this isn't realistic) a GJJ practioner defending against a big, strong guy trying full-on strikes, eye gouges, biting, groin attacks, etc.

No disrespect to the Gracies (I think their martial art is great and they appear to be excellent instructors), but the Gracie Challenge is fluff marketing at the end of the day.

youarewhatiswrong - 

ABE FROMAN - 

Well, he had to be in his 50's when this 'happened'. If the Glover part checks out it could've been that he proposed some kind of BS match that Rorian laughed off. Old man calls it a duck.

A British Boxer recently proposed a fight with Cain Velasquez, Cain won't take it but you can bet that Boxer will be saying that he ducked him when he gets to be 60.

 

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'87 was 26 years ago. if he's in his early 60s (i.e. 60-65) then that would put him in his mid 30s at the time?

Sorry, I read it as '97' instead of 87.

Either way, the point still stands. I think someone may have proposed a match beyond his ability and got totally laughed at instead of taken seriously. That person is still claiming they got ducked even though Rorian most likely didn't consider them a valid opponent at the time.

If the UFC had a dime for every challenge that came in for an MMA fighter they wouldn't have to put on pay-per-views.

Old man is still living his 'legend fighter ducked me because I was that much of a badass' dream.

Ducks only count if you seriously got considered.

AnakinHelwani - 

This particularly story might be BS, but seriously, if the Gracies want to market GJJ as a superior self-defense art, the Gracie Challenge should have allways been anything goes.

There's a video of a teenage Ryron destroying a bigger, older guy, but it was not even close to being a real self-defense situation. 

What I want to see is (and I know this isn't realistic) a GJJ practioner defending against a big, strong guy trying full-on strikes, eye gouges, biting, groin attacks, etc.

No disrespect to the Gracies (I think their martial art is great and they appear to be excellent instructors), but the Gracie Challenge is fluff marketing at the end of the day.

Animal Mother - He said that the rules were something like no punching in the face or eye gouging. He called bullshit on any rules whatsoever, and Rorion told them if he was so tough he should still be able to win anyway. After he expressed he only cared about winning the $100,000 challenge and didn't give a shit about being considered a tough guy, Rorion dicktucked.

Now this is a tall tale indeed, but ponder this. This man is in his early 60's, pronounced Rorion correctly, and knew he was in Torrance. He claimed to have been training Muay Thai for years, but also named a legit French MT fighter who he said he's trained with and knew about Lumpanee stadium. Here's the final kicker, he says he was training Glover Texiera before his first fight in CT, told him he wasn't ready, and Glover lost. This last part all checks out.

What say you UG, fact or fiction? I'm leaning towards fact, this old man is legit.