UnderGround Forum >> Met a guy who claimed Rorion Gracie ducked him 87'

Winston Wolf - ah whats the guys name

Andersons_Chin -  How DO you pronounce Rorion?

Does anyone have actual videos of Gracie challenges where the fights really are all-out, anything goes?

AnakinHelwani - 

Does anyone have actual videos of Gracie challenges where the fights really are all-out, anything goes?

That was the late Ryan, and it was outside in a dirt parking lot.

Animal Mother - This is the guy. He's a super nice guy, and I believe there is at least some truth to his story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJCJTHahn6I

AM, I sent you a pm. Reply requested.

I got 1/2 way thru that video.........and wanted to hit myself in the head, with a sledge hammer.

UGCTT_mrzipplokk - 

AM, I sent you a pm. Reply requested.

Ronin_jutsuka - 

SonofJockstrap -

He's a con man, pro con men get their stories perfect and have no holes. He's obviously good at it. Cross-reference his name with databases or try to get a hold of Glover by some means, maybe twitter, to see if that last part checks out.

As far as the $100k challenge goes, was there ever really a $100k challenge? From every bit of information that came out, it sounds like it was just a $100k bet between Rorion and Benny Urquidez that rumor stems from. Is there any substantial evidence that anyone who could win won $100k?

(Edit: I see the post above me cleared that up. Both parties placed $100k on the line for the challenge.)

To your second point, I can say I trained with Gerard Gordeau, it doesn't make it true. 

In summation, unless this guy was actually Benny Urquidez, he was lying. Even if he said he was Benny Urquidez, he's still likely lying.

Myth Busted.

I had read in Jiu Jitsu Magazine, a couple months back, that the challenge was a real thing. I am thinking it was an interview with Pedro Sauer. He was saying that everyone would back down once they found out they had to put $10,000 on the line to win the 100k.

AnakinHelwani - 

Does anyone have actual videos of Gracie challenges where the fights really are all-out, anything goes?

IIRC, the only 'ducking' of the Gracie Challenge was when the Gracies learned that Benny had been training submission grappling for many years, and had misrepresented his skillset when making the wager.  Personally, I don't consider that to be ducking.  That's just being smart with your money.

Reminds me of drag racing for pinks.  Everybody wants to set the terms of the race in way that they feel gives them an advantage.  When each side is aware of what the other is running, the race doesn't happen, and the claims of 'ducking' or 'chicken' start to be thrown around in an attempt to goad the other side in to a disadvantageous confrontation.

bjjdna - 

AnakinHelwani - 

Does anyone have actual videos of Gracie challenges where the fights really are all-out, anything goes?

A fb friend posted this fight on my page.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlVJ0nnniTM&sns=fb

I saw this fight live. I'm standing right next to the guy with the camera and say something like "there ya go" after Joe takes his back. The gracie challenger was a cocky karate bb who thought the strategy to defeat bjj was to get the ko while the gracie fighter "closed the distance" for the clinch. The dude's gf was watching from outside the room through the window and was screaming with every thump. The dudes mgr eventually threw in the towel.

They gave the dude another chance after his first beat down. He chose Mark Baurmeister for his second try and Mark jabbed the dude in the nose a few times and then he quit. I can remember Mark being pissed that the dude quit. I can also remember the instructors that did not get picked to fight being pissed...lol

Most the challengers were amateur level black belts with zero bjj experience and they would show up thinking they had the formula to beat the Gracies. Rorion would line up his blue and purple belts from his instructors program and let the gracie challenger choose which instructor they wanted to fight. Most of the gracie instructors were hungry to fight and test there skills.

If a pro level fighter showed up or someone possibly good, royce stepped up and fought. While I was there 95-97, Royce fought two challenge matches; interestingly, he fought nogi vale tudo style. He won both fights without taking any damage or damaging his opponent. He mounted and bitch slapped them to submission.

Master Bater - 

AnakinHelwani - 

Does anyone have actual videos of Gracie challenges where the fights really are all-out, anything goes?

dont know what you call "all-out" but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN6PvPCrStI

Animal Mother - This is the guy. He's a super nice guy, and I believe there is at least some truth to his story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJCJTHahn6I