UnderGround Forum >> Vitor on TRT? ESPN article

i dont even care if hes on trt, as long at he murders dudes in his forties its still awesome

Don_Dada - 

epwar - 

Annnnnnnnnnnnd Bisping now has his excuse line up.  

I've never once heard Bisping use this form of gaining an advantage as an excuse for either of his losses to Hendo or Sonnen.

http://www.mmamania.com/2012/8/16/3247647/michael-bisping-trt-cheating-ufc-unfair

Trust me, he's already given his thoughts on TRT and will definitely mention it after his loss to Belfort:

"I think it's absolute nonsense, rubbish, bullshit. Listen, we all get old, we all grow up, you know? At some point, as you start getting older, your balls don't work as well and you don't make as much testosterone, but, that's life and you deal with it. A guy that is 40-years old doesn't make as much testosterone as a 21-year old so he gets an exemption certificate to say, 'So now we will give him as much testosterone as a 21-year old.' Well, what about me, I'm 33 (years of age), I'm not making the same amount as a 21-year old, but I make more than a 40-year old. Where do we draw the line? It's nonsense. Listen, nature determines that and I don't think we should interfere with that. I think it's cheating very, very well, it's dressed up. Its nonsense, its absolute bullshit and I, for one, am very, very against it. I would never ever do that. I am who I am and I've done well doing what I do."

Wovito -

JROTT -  This isn't the Olympics, I say let them all juice their tits off and let's see who's the best after that!

JUST BLEED!

The obvious result is that allowing such a chemical advantage would preclude any "clean" fighters from making it to the highest levels.

This is not a good outcome.

I'm going to say this in BOLD because it's very important.

A fighter who is taking head shots risks damage to the pituitary gland. This gland determines the output of Testosterone. If it is damaged and T levels fall, then getting on HRT is a VERY BAD IDEA.

Why? It masks the effects of a fighter having essentially brain damage.

Someone who is verified (and there are tests) to have Low T due to pituitary damage should NOT, imo continue to fight.

HTH.

Don_Dada - 

epwar - 

Annnnnnnnnnnnd Bisping now has his excuse line up.  

I've never once heard Bisping use this form of gaining an advantage as an excuse for either of his losses to Hendo or Sonnen.

chawkins - There's nothing wrong with TRT. It's not the same as "juicing".

DonFreedomFrye - 

chawkins - There's nothing wrong with TRT. It's not the same as "juicing".

What exactly is "juicing"?

I thought it was athletes using anabolic-androgenic steroids to enhance their performance. That's exactly what fighters who undergo TRT do.

epwar - 

Annnnnnnnnnnnd Bisping now has his excuse line up.  

Lazer MMA -

Don_Dada - 

epwar - 

Annnnnnnnnnnnd Bisping now has his excuse line up.  

I've never once heard Bisping use this form of gaining an advantage as an excuse for either of his losses to Hendo or Sonnen.

Hendo first fight with TRT was in Pride 33. This was sourced before (TRT exemption for that fight) & he's said he started in 2007. If you disputes this please source out the claim.

DonFreedomFrye - 

chawkins - There's nothing wrong with TRT. It's not the same as "juicing".

What exactly is "juicing"?

I thought it was athletes using anabolic-androgenic steroids to enhance their performance. That's exactly what fighters who undergo TRT do.

My friend was on HRT and he was a freakin' monster on it. Just some Androgel.

So yeah, it's 'juicing', and would give a fighter an unfair advantage.

chawkins - 

DonFreedomFrye - 

chawkins - There's nothing wrong with TRT. It's not the same as "juicing".

What exactly is "juicing"?

I thought it was athletes using anabolic-androgenic steroids to enhance their performance. That's exactly what fighters who undergo TRT do.

Take a careful look at the language and how it is used.

When people talk about "juicing" they're referring to raising one's T levels to supraphysiological levels - that is, levels greater than what a human body is supposed to have or produce - via the use of anabolid-androgenic steroids. If they weren't going above normal human levels, there'd be no reason to cry foul, right?

And in so doing, yes, "juicing" does enhance performance (if I had to nitpick, I'd point out that what they mainly enhance is recovery, which in turn enhances performance, but we can split those hairs another day).


When people talk about TRT, you have to remember what the "R" stands for - Replacement. TRT is a therapeutic technique meant to *replace* testosterone levels that have declined; not to elevate the body to supraphysiological levels, but to simply put them back to a healthy level. And in doing so, TRT can't really be said to be enhancing performance, but merely restoring it to what it used to be.

That's the difference.

Now, if you want to discuss whether athletes who are on TRT are *actually* on TRT anjd are *actually* restoring their hormone levels to their previous normal highs vs. merely claiming TRT as a cover for going supraphysiological, that's a real discussion that can be had.

Not sure whether you're serious or ignoring the facts.  Marquardt was on TRT yet was cut cause his levels were too high to compete.  Chael claimed TRT when his ratio was 16:1.  Standard levels for a normal human being, ie you or me, is 1:1.  Athletic commissions allow above this level, so users of TRT are only obliged to keep their levels within the acceptable ratios of the regulation athletic commission, 6:1 in some instances.  So I have no idea how you can think it's merely 'replacement'.  It's legal juicing, simple.

Chimp Strength - 

chawkins - 

DonFreedomFrye - 

chawkins - There's nothing wrong with TRT. It's not the same as "juicing".

What exactly is "juicing"?

I thought it was athletes using anabolic-androgenic steroids to enhance their performance. That's exactly what fighters who undergo TRT do.

Take a careful look at the language and how it is used.

When people talk about "juicing" they're referring to raising one's T levels to supraphysiological levels - that is, levels greater than what a human body is supposed to have or produce - via the use of anabolid-androgenic steroids. If they weren't going above normal human levels, there'd be no reason to cry foul, right?

And in so doing, yes, "juicing" does enhance performance (if I had to nitpick, I'd point out that what they mainly enhance is recovery, which in turn enhances performance, but we can split those hairs another day).


When people talk about TRT, you have to remember what the "R" stands for - Replacement. TRT is a therapeutic technique meant to *replace* testosterone levels that have declined; not to elevate the body to supraphysiological levels, but to simply put them back to a healthy level. And in doing so, TRT can't really be said to be enhancing performance, but merely restoring it to what it used to be.

That's the difference.

Now, if you want to discuss whether athletes who are on TRT are *actually* on TRT anjd are *actually* restoring their hormone levels to their previous normal highs vs. merely claiming TRT as a cover for going supraphysiological, that's a real discussion that can be had.

Not sure whether you're serious or ignoring the facts.  Marquardt was on TRT yet was cut cause his levels were too high to compete.  Chael claimed TRT when his ratio was 16:1.  Standard levels for a normal human being, ie you or me, is 1:1.  Athletic commissions allow above this level, so users of TRT are only obliged to keep their levels within the acceptable ratios of the regulation athletic commission, 6:1 in some instances.  So I have no idea how you can think it's merely 'replacement'.  It's legal juicing, simple.

ObamaCare -

Wovito - 

JROTT -  This isn't the Olympics, I say let them all juice their tits off and let's see who's the best after that!

JUST BLEED!

The obvious result is that allowing such a chemical advantage would preclude any "clean" fighters from making it to the highest levels.

This is not a good outcome.

and the wrong assumption here is that taking steroids makes you a good fighter

plenty of guys who have tested positive have gotten their asses whooped

anderson hit bonnar one time in the chest and he quit. he hasnt had a great career by any means and hes tested positive multiple times

big foot keeps getting beat down too

sonnen,leben etc... 

the list could go on and on

if multiple top 5 or champions had tested positive, id say you had a point.