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Ludwig has the best cardio in UFC history

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Grimreapers Member Since: 5/27/12 Posts: 258	Source: Who has the best cardio in MMA? Easy, Duane Ludwig According to a recent study Ludwig was #1 in UFC history when it comes to best cardio. No GSP, Fitch, MM, Velasquez, or Edgar in the top 10? Yet they have JDS in the top 10. What kind of joke is this? They also have listed Tiequan Zhang as the worst cardio in the UFC really? and Volkmann is also in the top 6 with worst cardio.

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crowbar 323 Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 35101	Nick Diaz IMO. You have ignored this user.

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Grimreapers Member Since: 5/27/12 Posts: 260	Diaz should be at the top, but I think Edgar should take it or MM You have ignored this user.

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dysorder Member Since: 3/31/10 Posts: 30	Significant Strikes per Minute being a metric for "Cardio"? Get real. You have ignored this user.

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CaptainBurma 33 Member Since: 8/28/07 Posts: 2490	How can you even measure that based in what they do in mma, & not some head to head endurance competition? You have ignored this user.

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Dazednconfused 68 Member Since: 4/11/11 Posts: 1115	dysorder - Significant Strikes per Minute being a metric for "Cardio"? Get real. If that's a swipe at Nick, lets are some other fighters place in triathlons. You have ignored this user.

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Prikaza 1 Member Since: 6/4/12 Posts: 151	Bendo has to be up there. Dude can literally go 10 rounds. You have ignored this user.

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yellow wrkahlc 52 Member Since: 6/9/12 Posts: 5851	What in the blue hell? I measure cardio based on output all around until the end of a fight. I certainly do not have Ludwig anywhere near that list. Then again, wtf do I know, I'm a dog. You have ignored this user.

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nowaydo 28 Member Since: 2/28/06 Posts: 4757	That stat is for strikers, not grapplers. You have ignored this user.

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Brian Rule 219 Member Since: 2/6/06 Posts: 11052	I love statistics and I love striking but the rationale behind this 'best cardio' claim is just ridiculous. You have ignored this user.

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ausgepicht Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 56763	Brian Rule - I love statistics and I love striking but the rationale behind this 'best cardio' claim is just ridiculous. This. MMA=Kickboxing and let's hope no one notices?!? You have ignored this user.

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JHR 210 Member Since: 7/9/02 Posts: 41291 Mixed Martial Arts LLC, Director of Handsome	Hominick You have ignored this user.

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orcus Member Since: 8/1/03 Posts: 75296	Benson Henderson Clay Guida Frank Edgar Georges St PIerre Carlos Condit Nick Diaz most of the guys below 155 Can't really think of anyone above 170 with exceptional cardio. Cain probably, although it didn't look so hot in his last fight. You have ignored this user.

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THE BODY BAG Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 3070	My vote is Guida. He can fight a round full of scrambles for positioning, be put in bad positions that he has to fight out of and always gets up bouncing around the cage when 99% of guys would have their hands on their hips. You have ignored this user.

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UGCTT_mousetrap 42 Member Since: 6/6/12 Posts: 792	nowaydo - That stat is for strikers, not grapplers. This You have ignored this user.

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smags 85 Member Since: 10/29/12 Posts: 355	I'm sorry but brain fade, who is mm? You have ignored this user.

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AussieMayhem 8 Member Since: 10/15/11 Posts: 1177	smags - I'm sorry but brain fade, who is mm? Mighty mouse You have ignored this user.

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smags 85 Member Since: 10/29/12 Posts: 356	AussieMayhem - smags - I'm sorry but brain fade, who is mm? Mighty mouse Haha cheers, ofcourse! i feel like such a fool right no You have ignored this user.

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Anderson P Sonnen 283 Member Since: 6/15/12 Posts: 1042	Edgar. Dudes a machine You have ignored this user.

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GelderdEnd Member Since: 6/3/11 Posts: 1482	Bisping up there for best cardio You have ignored this user.

1/10/13 9:54 AM

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Calavaro 85 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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First we must define what "good cardio" is. What's it based on?

I'd say the following criteria applies. And lets make an easy 10 point scale. 1 being worst, 10 being insanely good.

1. Standing "wrestling" stamina (greco-roman, judo, clinch work, et al)

2. Striking stamina (Boxing, Muay Thai, et al)

3. Ground grappling stamina (BJJ, freestyle wresting, positioning, et al)

4. Recovery between rounds (very apparent if a fighter is trying to recover from a bad round)

5. Recovery from taking a solid strike.

Now we must apply this to fighters. I'll attempt to do so on a few fighters with notable cardio.

Heavyweight: Cain Velasquez. Based on his fights.

1. Standing "wresting" stamina: 6.

2. Striking stamina: 8. (He punches a lot, but not always full power punches, and he was visibly tired vs. JDS last time out)

3. Ground grappling stamina: 10.

4. Recovery between rounds: 7.

5. Recovery from taking a solid strike: 7.

Overall: 7.6

Welterweight. George St. Pierre. Based on his fights.

1. Standing "wresting" stamina: 9.

2. Striking stamina: 9.

3. Ground grappling stamina: 10.

4. Recovery between rounds: 9.

5. Recovery from taking a solid strike: 9.

Overall: 9.6

Feel free to add on to this. a 10 on the scale should only be given if he has the best cardio, bar none, in his weightclass. 5 would be avewrage for the weightclass. I don't think anyone in the UFC would be a 1 or even a 2.

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Son of Neckbone 27 Member Since: 1/18/04 Posts: 3346	I don't know what the criteria is. Unless it is purely based on strikes/minute, I don't know how Ludwig is even in contention. You have ignored this user.

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hooke Member Since: 2/13/07 Posts: 1173	wonder what Hoyce's significant strikes per minute was? You have ignored this user.

1/10/13 1:41 PM

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Anderson P Sonnen 283 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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Calavaro -
First we must define what "good cardio" is. What's it based on?

I'd say the following criteria applies. And lets make an easy 10 point scale. 1 being worst, 10 being insanely good.

1. Standing "wrestling" stamina (greco-roman, judo, clinch work, et al)

2. Striking stamina (Boxing, Muay Thai, et al)

3. Ground grappling stamina (BJJ, freestyle wresting, positioning, et al)

4. Recovery between rounds (very apparent if a fighter is trying to recover from a bad round)

5. Recovery from taking a solid strike.

Now we must apply this to fighters. I'll attempt to do so on a few fighters with notable cardio.

Heavyweight: Cain Velasquez. Based on his fights.

1. Standing "wresting" stamina: 6.

2. Striking stamina: 8. (He punches a lot, but not always full power punches, and he was visibly tired vs. JDS last time out)

3. Ground grappling stamina: 10.

4. Recovery between rounds: 7.

5. Recovery from taking a solid strike: 7.

Overall: 7.6

Welterweight. George St. Pierre. Based on his fights.

1. Standing "wresting" stamina: 9.

2. Striking stamina: 9.

3. Ground grappling stamina: 10.

4. Recovery between rounds: 9.

5. Recovery from taking a solid strike: 9.

Overall: 9.6

Feel free to add on to this. a 10 on the scale should only be given if he has the best cardio, bar none, in his weightclass. 5 would be avewrage for the weightclass. I don't think anyone in the UFC would be a 1 or even a 2.

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illumiNate Member Since: 9/9/12 Posts: 64	orcus - Benson Henderson Clay Guida Frank Edgar Georges St PIerre Carlos Condit Nick Diaz most of the guys below 155 Can't really think of anyone above 170 with exceptional cardio. Cain probably, although it didn't look so hot in his last fight. Gustafson maybe You have ignored this user.

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