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UnderGround Forum >> There is no way Cormier defeats Jon Jones.
| 1/13/13 12:06 PM | |
Warrenpeace
Member Since: 2/13/12 Posts: 940 |
Seriously. It's a ridiculous premise. The guy is 5'10" with a 71" reach. Not happening. His performance last night was like...not that awe inspiring. I don't see any scenario where he beats Jon. |
| 1/13/13 12:12 PM | |
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Toquinho
Member Since: 9/26/11 Posts: 1183 |
Hi Greg 
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| 1/13/13 12:15 PM | |
DanteHec
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Member Since: 10/10/10 Posts: 796 |
Toquinho - Hi GregLmao! 
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| 1/13/13 12:36 PM | |
40oztofreedom
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Member Since: 9/17/11 Posts: 662 |
I see Cormier having troubles with the top 3 HW's/LHW's. It will be interesting. I like to think UFC is a tougher ballgame
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| 1/13/13 12:39 PM | |
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mose
Member Since: 4/13/07 Posts: 524 |
I think Cormier is very good, and a legit top-10 fighter. That being said, I do not think he is elite. A combination of age, physical characteristics, and experience lead me to believe that he will have extreme trouble at the top of the heap. I see him eventually settling into a Roy Nelson role. Good fodder for the elite, eliminator of the pretenders. I would love to be proven wrong though. |
| 1/13/13 12:40 PM | |
Lobo8
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Member Since: 5/22/12 Posts: 592 |
Warrenpeace - Seriously. It's a ridiculous premise. Really? Jones should be very worried about cormier, he is his most legitimate threat. All the guys jones beat had good striking but their ground and clinch game where no where near the level of jones's and with he was essentially forced his opponents them to fight him outside where jones could easily pick them apart with his huge reach and unpredictability. But it wont work with cormier. Daniel can fight him close and with his wrestling ability that is miles ahead of jones can control him close up. no way jones would play the clinch game with cormier and risk getting dropped to the ground. Jones's best bet will be to try to keep the fight at a distance and do move back, classic jackson strategy. But comier has good speed, and should be able to close the distance and drop jones down and man handle him. ANd furthermore cormier has pretty good stand up to and with the threat of a takedown can cause jones to slip up and land some good shots. Cormier can win this fight. |
| 1/13/13 12:44 PM | |
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mose
Member Since: 4/13/07 Posts: 525 |
I've seen nothing at all in either fighters' careers that would support thinking that Cormier's wrestling ability is miles ahead of Jones. I think, too often, collegiate wrestling/low-level Olympic wrestling is confused for MMA wrestling. They are not the same thing. Ask GSP. |
| 1/13/13 12:45 PM | |
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ausgepicht
Edited: 01/13/13 12:52 PM Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 56809 |
OP is correct. His short reach and 5'10" height is what caused him to lose to the 270# Bigfoot and pioneer, legend and 260# Barnett. MMA comes down to the length of your arm and how tall you are. It's simple really. That's why Wes Sims is one of the PFP greats and no one can hit Stefan Struve. That fight where the shorter armed and shorter Roy Nelson couldn't land anything is an example that is hard to argue with. |
| 1/13/13 12:53 PM | |
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mose
Member Since: 4/13/07 Posts: 526 |
ausgepicht - No, didn't cause him to lose against those fighters. But, those fighters aren't the top of the heap. Cain and Dos Santos are. Jones is. Cormier's less-than-ideal physical traits are a disadvantage against those fighters. Can he overcome them? Potentially, but they are an edge his opponents will have. |
| 1/13/13 1:00 PM | |
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ausgepicht
Edited: 01/13/13 1:01 PM Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 56810 |
mose -ausgepicht - This thread is about height and reach. Citing Cain and JDS doesn't make sense. If you think MMA comes down soley to phsyical traits then you have a lot to learn. If you don't think Cormier has physical traits in abundance and perhaps as much or more than anyone on earth, you have a lot to learn. Besides being a two time Olympian, do you think he used any physical traits to get these? Do you think he had a reach and height advantage in every match? International Federation of Associated Wrestling Styles
2008 USA Senior Freestyle Olympic Team Captain
USA Senior Freestyle Olympic Team Trials Winner (2004, 2008)
NCAA Division I Collegiate National Championship Runner-up (2001)
NJCAA Wrestling Hall of Fame Inductee (2009)
NHSCA Senior High School National Championship 3rd Place (1997)
LHSAA Division I High School State Championship (1995, 1996, 1997)
Just admit that you are a hater. |
| 1/13/13 1:04 PM | |
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mose
Member Since: 4/13/07 Posts: 527 |
Listen, you know Cormier has absolutely nothing on reigning MMA world champion Karam Gaber. |
| 1/13/13 1:05 PM | |
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mose
Member Since: 4/13/07 Posts: 528 |
or UFC champion Kevin Jackson. |
| 1/13/13 1:09 PM | |
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wiggum
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Member Since: 2/17/03 Posts: 3379 |
"His performance last night was like...not that awe inspiring." "He didn't look good yesterday." Minus an elbow from the clinch that did no damage, did he even get hit? |
| 1/13/13 1:10 PM | |
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ausgepicht
Edited: 01/13/13 1:11 PM Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 56813 |
@mose:
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| 1/13/13 1:11 PM | |
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wiggum
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Member Since: 2/17/03 Posts: 3380 |
mose - or UFC champion Kevin Jackson. The point is that DC clearly has the physical traits to hang at the top of the heap of combat sports. |
| 1/13/13 1:11 PM | |
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Warrenpeace
Member Since: 2/13/12 Posts: 941 |
ausgepicht - Lol. Bigfoot and Barnett are nowhere close to the ability and talent of jones. Hilarious you would use them as a yardstick here. Barnett would get destroyed by any legit top 10 guys in the UFC. Im not saying jones only wins because of his reach. But when your opponent has a 71" reach while yours is 84" and you know how to punch, kick and keep a fight standing? Big trouble for Cormier. It's not like jones hasn't been in there with elite wrestlers. |
| 1/13/13 1:14 PM | |
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ausgepicht
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 56814 |
wiggum -mose - or UFC champion Kevin Jackson. Lot of haterade on this thread, probably bigotry as well, though bigots hide it as much as they can so there is no way of telling. Best not to waste your time. Anyone who doesn't think a two time Olympian and someone with the credentials that Cormier has.....who is also the coach and training partner of the current Heavyweight world champion, has no way of winning, and has no physical traits because he is 5'10" clearly is following a sport that is too complex for them to be following. Probably pissed that Toughman was discontinued. |
| 1/13/13 1:15 PM | |
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BertR
Member Since: 11/10/09 Posts: 271 |
you don't have to have any strong opinion about Cormier to realize he was toying with that guy last night. |
| 1/13/13 1:16 PM | |
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ausgepicht
Edited: 01/13/13 1:19 PM Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 56815 |
Warrenpeace -ausgepicht -
This is a thread about height and reach advantage which Cormier did not have against Bigfoot and Barnett. There isn't much of a demand on one's reading comprehension for this easy thread topic. Not sure why people are struggling. Do I need to type slower? OP says height and reach disadvantage are too much for Cormier to overcome. I cite two examples he obliterated top fighters who had height and reach advantages and you say "He doesn't compare to Jon Jones in terms of skill." I also cite examples of two of the tallest fighters in the sport with the most height and reach advantage showing that there is more to the sport than arm length, because of kicks, elbows, knees, grappling, clinch, the ground, training partners, coaching, timing, rhythm, etc. You also seem to be thinking I am saying Cormier will win. I have NOT even picked a winner in a Cormier/Jones fight. I am just saying that saying "There is no way Cormier will win." is assinine and ignorant. Jones may very well win. Comprehension fail. |
| 1/13/13 1:19 PM | |
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GSTREBENDT
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Member Since: 11/4/02 Posts: 1996 |
Remember, many of us said "there is now way overeem can stop lesnar from taking him down, how does he think he is going to deal with the takedowns from a 300 pound college champion?" |
| 1/13/13 1:23 PM | |
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Ice Cold Igors Right Hand
Edited: 01/13/13 1:23 PM Member Since: 6/17/12 Posts: 882 |
Lol Jesus, I agree it would be a good fight, but you all saying Jones would decimate him and that his wrestling isn't better than Jones'...you all just need to take a step away from Jones 'Bones' if you know what I mean. Reach doesn't mean shit if Cormier can close the distance and fight in the pocket or get ahold of Jon. This thread smells like bullshit. |
| 1/13/13 1:24 PM | |
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BuddyRevell
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Member Since: 1/15/07 Posts: 7244 |
ausgepicht - Agreed. Although I think Jones is the favorite to win in this matchup, to say there is no way Cormier defeats Jones is pretty idiotic. |
| 1/13/13 1:24 PM | |
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Doem
Member Since: 4/15/07 Posts: 2114 |
lol at the people thinking John jones would push the pace of the fight if they were to meet. Jones would spend the first three minutes throwing oblique kicks. Its really Cormier's ability to deal with that range that would determine his ability to be successful in that fight. I did have a problem with Comier's lack of submission attempts last night. He had the opportunity to go RNC but instead gave up position so he could GNP. you aint going to be champ if you cant go for those subs. |
| 1/13/13 1:28 PM | |
Jaybrone
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Member Since: 11/9/10 Posts: 6606 |
Could he beat Jones who really knows at this point. Let him make a cut to 205 and see how it affects him first. |
| 1/13/13 1:28 PM | |
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cyberc92
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Member Since: 5/13/05 Posts: 1923 |
Cormier has power on his feet and will be near impossible to take down. This will be a tough fight for Jones. Jones will have to be concerned with the takedown which will lead to him eating some strikes on the feet. Cormier closes distance well and I think he will be able to get some strikes off. Cormier is deceptively strong and when he wants to get you to the mat he will get you to the mat. It is a very interesting match up. |
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