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1/14/13 5:10 PM

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Another Foob 14 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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Soup and Beer -
Retarded thread is retarded. Unless you have never seen MMA at all, it should be immediately obvious why a ref would tell a fighter who is pawing with an open hand to keep his fingers closed.

In the past it had become a technique exploiting a loophole in the rules to eyepoke. Liddell did it a lot, Shields, and quite a few others that I cant remember off the top of my head. After you eye poke the opponent like that, if the ref even notices it, all that happens is they get a couple of minutes to recover and you get a mild warning from the ref. Then as the fight continues you have the advantage as the opponents vision is still likely impaired. I would much prefer the ref stop it before it even happens.

And as far as the incident with JBJ, Jones was exploiting the rules to crawl on his hands and knees to the opponent to close the distance without danger of getting struck. The rule is there to protect a downed opponent, not to gain an advantage as a method of fighting. I loved it when Big John told Jones that. MMA is supposed to simulate a real fight while adding rules to protect a fighter's safety. When was the last time you saw a street fight where a guy was crawling on his hands and knees towards an opponent?

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JOESONDO 13 Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 1833	Pessimist_Pete - Totally changed the outcome of the fight imro Damn straight it did! Staring was holding out the hand to tell Cormier to STOP. Without it Cormier just moved in for the kill. Totally changed the outcome. You have ignored this user.

1/14/13 5:31 PM

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john joe 168 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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Dirk Bevlin - My question is why does anyone guage distance with their fingers out anyway?

What good does it do except hopefully "accidentally" poke your opponent in the eye?

If it's not illegal, it should be.

experienced strikers frequently do it; the extra 2 - 4 inches of distance-gauging with fingers as opposed to closed fist can be a big difference. Consider that a proper slip is meant to evade a strike by millimeters not by miles. Small distances can make a difference to the experienced user;

and with open fingers the hand is also more articulate if you need to transition into a parry, underhook etc. Or at least, feels more articulate.

Dion was clearly gauging with the left and looking to land heavy with the right; he wasnt looking to use the left in an aggressive way; it was his antennae

1/14/13 7:09 PM

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Dirk Bevlin

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I don't get it. If your intention is to gauge the distance you'll need to close in order to connect with a closed fist, why not gauge the distance with a closed fist. Boxers and kick-boxers seem to gauge distance just fine without stretching out their fingers.

So many fucking eye pokes, every fucking card one or more guys gets poked in the eye. I'm sick of it. I'd really like to see a few things added to the rules, including outstretched fingers. Phone Post

1/14/13 7:13 PM

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The Nastyness

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Open hands while striking should not by any means be illegal. Slapping the hands of oncoming punches has been used in many striking martial arts for defense.

However, I think there's a difference between open handed blocking or deflecting as compared to open handed distance gauging. Besides, if using the fingers helps gauge that distance by millimeters, it isn't going to matter throwing the next strike when your fist is closed and those precious millimeters no longer matter.

Regardless, just like when we get pulled over for a ticket, it's the official's call and any uproar doesn't usually change anything. How many times have we seen poked eyes? It just doesn't add up in the long run.

Let the ref do his job.

1/14/13 7:14 PM

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The Nastyness

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Dirk Bevlin - I don't get it. If your intention is to gauge the distance you'll need to close in order to connect with a closed fist, why not gauge the distance with a closed fist. Boxers and kick-boxers seem to gauge distance just fine without stretching out their fingers.

So many fucking eye pokes, every fucking card one or more guys gets poked in the eye. I'm sick of it. I'd really like to see a few things added to the rules, including outstretched fingers.

Thank you, that's pretty much what I was thinking but you got it first.

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StepOverCamelToeHold Member Since: 12/29/12 Posts: 3	BJM is a legend in this sport. Don't understand the hate. You have ignored this user.

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mofomike 194 Member Since: 12/3/02 Posts: 29028	GayGuardMooseSaucy - Can't fucking stand him, he tries to make himself part of the fight. Way overrated in terms of a good referee this. You have ignored this user.

1/14/13 8:01 PM

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ChaosOverkill 169 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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The only thing I can think keeping the fingers extended is for, is to make your opponent flinch from wanting to avoid being poked in the eye by accident or otherwise. It probably affects how the other fighter uses head movement and strikes as he doesn't want his eyes to end up full of fingers.

However the use of it is essentially cheap and trying to set yourself up for a built in 'accidental' poke excuse if you do poke the eye (which I think is what Kos in particular does much less gage distance) and I think Big Joh n has figured this out and is going to prevent it going forward. I like it and wish more refs would do it.

Extending the hand like that is tantamount to pretending to gage distance with the intention of poking the eye or affecting a fighter's composure without overtly doing a poking motion.

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mm370 8 Member Since: 8/4/11 Posts: 143	illini89i - FightToLive - He is a dickhead also! Are you kidding me? One of the nicest most approachable guys you'll ever meet. This thread is full of idiots. Exactly. I've been around him and talked with him on several occasions. He has been nothing but respectful and polite to fighters and the rest of the public You have ignored this user.

1/14/13 8:29 PM

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Jons Forsberg -
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ausgepicht -
Well, I think he was concerned about eye pokes.

This, he's just trying to prevent eye pokes.
I understand that but if your not throwing strikes why the fuck would you be required to close your fist?

eye pokes.

I understand preventing eye pokes and I must of missed the "pawing" that lead to the warning. But my point is I've seen guys do the pawing of sorts to gauge range and distance with no warning (I.e. Diaz brothers), so is it just a rule that is rarely called out?

I understand this could of been discussed prefight in the locker room as well. Phone Post

1/14/13 8:46 PM

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ChaosOverkill -
The only thing I can think keeping the fingers extended is for, is to make your opponent flinch from wanting to avoid being poked in the eye by accident or otherwise. It probably affects how the other fighter uses head movement and strikes as he doesn't want his eyes to end up full of fingers.

However the use of it is essentially cheap and trying to set yourself up for a built in 'accidental' poke excuse if you do poke the eye (which I think is what Kos in particular does much less gage distance) and I think Big Joh n has figured this out and is going to prevent it going forward. I like it and wish more refs would do it.

Extending the hand like that is tantamount to pretending to gage distance with the intention of poking the eye or affecting a fighter's composure without overtly doing a poking motion.

Yeah, all this.

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rrryan 2 Member Since: 11/2/11 Posts: 383	ausgepicht - Well, I think he was concerned about eye pokes. This You have ignored this user.

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Dirk Bevlin Edited: 01/26/13 8:46 PM Member Since: 12/18/12 Posts: 293	Big John got on to Lamas for open finger range gauging. Sounds like Rogan agrees, said something like "that's something we really need to do something about." It looked like Koch took a little bit of a poke, he rubbed at his right eye for a second but shook it off. You have ignored this user.

1/26/13 8:58 PM

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jasonhightower -
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ausgepicht -
Well, I think he was concerned about eye pokes.

This, he's just trying to prevent eye pokes.
I understand that but if your not throwing strikes why the fuck would you be required to close your fist?

eye pokes.
I understand preventing eye pokes and I must of missed the "pawing" that lead to the warning. But my point is I've seen guys do the pawing of sorts to gauge range and distance with no warning (I.e. Diaz brothers), so is it just a rule that is rarely called out?

I understand this could of been discussed prefight in the locker room as well.

they don't have to "paw" with their fists open. First must be closed whenever the arms are extended.

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Jerry Bohlander 45 Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 560	John knows Mma better than most fighters let alone most fans. He's reffed so many big fights its easy to pick out mistakes. Best in the business IMHO You have ignored this user.

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illini89i 449 Member Since: 5/2/02 Posts: 2328	Jerry Bohlander - John knows Mma better than most fighters let alone most fans. He's reffed so many big fights its easy to pick out mistakes. Best in the business IMHO Exactly. Great to see you on here Jerry. You have ignored this user.

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andyman011 Member Since: 12/7/11 Posts: 894	Dont punch with fingers. End of story You have ignored this user.

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DaddyGorg Member Since: 11/20/05 Posts: 18229	My beef is that he doesn't say "Let's get it on" loud and forcefully any more. You have ignored this user.

1/27/13 12:23 PM

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ShawnTheBadger 119 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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Dirk Bevlin -
Big John got on to Lamas for open finger range gauging.

Sounds like Rogan agrees, said something like "that's something we really need to do something about."

It looked like Koch took a little bit of a poke, he rubbed at his right eye for a second but shook it off.

And Big John did it PRIOR to having a finger-poke and an early stoppage due to flagrant foul and subsequent injury. He properly warned the fighter that was perilously close to committing a foul.

1/27/13 12:27 PM

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Jons Forsberg -
jasonhightower -
Jons Forsberg -
jasonhightower -
OnlyTheStrongSurvive -
ausgepicht -
Well, I think he was concerned about eye pokes.

This, he's just trying to prevent eye pokes.
I understand that but if your not throwing strikes why the fuck would you be required to close your fist?

eye pokes.
I understand preventing eye pokes and I must of missed the "pawing" that lead to the warning. But my point is I've seen guys do the pawing of sorts to gauge range and distance with no warning (I.e. Diaz brothers), so is it just a rule that is rarely called out?

I understand this could of been discussed prefight in the locker room as well.

they don't have to "paw" with their fists open. First must be closed whenever the arms are extended.

Good to know. I've seen so many fighters do this for years without repercussions. Glad to start seeing them come down on this. Phone Post

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