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UnderGround Forum >> Why is Belfort ranked so high still?
| 1/17/13 10:19 AM | |
s3xyama
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Member Since: 3/9/10 Posts: 119 |
Okami>Belfort 
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| 1/17/13 12:43 PM | |
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LilBrockonmychest
Member Since: 2/24/07 Posts: 9158 |
5pointer - death beast, he also ko'd lindland and terry martin at 185. the lindland ko says something and beating rich even at 195 says something too as rich was a multiple former mw title holder with a win over okami Ya but those MW wins were 4-5 years ago. And I do agree that Franklin is a good win, but it wasn't at 185. Ranking him at MW because of that win is pretty much picking and choosing where you want him. Rich hadn't fought at MW in 1.5 years so basically by your theory, you could rank him at LHW because of that win too. A fight in between 2 weight classes should not help a fighter get ranked in either. And if you're going to pick one, LHW would make more sense as that is where Rich had been fighting the previous year and a half. |
| 1/17/13 4:39 PM | |
yellow wrkahlc
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Member Since: 6/9/12 Posts: 6470 |
5pointer - so where should he be ranked if he beats Bisping? Rightfully on the Top 10, never disputed that. Read my posts, and you'll see I said this whole thing hits a moot point with a victory over Bisping on Sat nite. Regardless, it's been years, he shouldn't be ranked that high up. That's my standpoint on the matter. |
| 1/17/13 4:59 PM | |
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Lazer MMA
Member Since: 4/24/12 Posts: 5866 |
yellow wrkahlc - One needs to look at the division moving back a few years to understand. It's a revolving door of top 10's. Almost no one was good enough to even hold a sport (a few in in the UFC to boot). Belfort is ranked high himself has NEVER had a big MW win ever (Bisping's best was only VS a marginal top 10 in Stann who himself never won a big fight at MW). In conclusion BOTH of their rankings are 'holdover rankings' from when the division was soooooo very weak (for sooooo long). IMO that's the past and the 'new generation UFC MW's' will be in the top 10 for a long while and these unrealistic rankings will be a thing of the past (nor will these two fighters even be on the list). Of course that's only my opinion on what will happen (the 'new generation UFC MW's' will be there for a long while). |
| 1/17/13 5:04 PM | |
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yellow wrkahlc
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Member Since: 6/9/12 Posts: 6477 |
I'm hoping for credibility's sake, he gets bumped off the list with a loss to Bisping. When he can defeat a current Top 10 MW, THEN his position is validated. |
| 1/17/13 5:09 PM | |
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Lazer MMA
Member Since: 4/24/12 Posts: 5867 |
The point is Yellow it's pure speculation now. IMO others would kill both but that's just an opinion even as are their rankings (based on no cognitive facts to substantiate the opinion at all). |
| 1/17/13 5:12 PM | |
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Joe_Drogan420
Member Since: 12/31/11 Posts: 1685 |
yellow wrkahlc - Hypothetically, if Belfort loses a hard fought war after rocking Bisping, will he deserve top 10 status in your eyes? I.e. he fights his heart out but barely comes up short. |
| 1/17/13 5:23 PM | |
CraneFu
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Member Since: 6/22/09 Posts: 411 |
This is why http://kuejehdg.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/j1111.jpg?w=640 Thread saved |
| 1/17/13 5:32 PM | |
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yellow wrkahlc
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Member Since: 6/9/12 Posts: 6479 |
Joe_Drogan420 -yellow wrkahlc - If it's a close fight, I'll have no gripe about him being on those lists, but right at #10. Everyone on that list deserves to be above him right now because they've stayed consistent enough in the top ten of middleweight to earn their ranks. Vitor hasn't. I know Top 10 lists can be subjective and bias, but understanding the logic behind his positioning as of today is baffling. It's clear through this thread that I'm not the only one who feels the same way. |
| 1/17/13 5:35 PM | |
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yellow wrkahlc
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Member Since: 6/9/12 Posts: 6480 |
Lazer MMA - It's almost as if two sites had him in the top ten, so everyone else said "Fuck it, we'll have him in ours, too." Makes no sense. |
| 1/17/13 6:11 PM | |
MdGeist
Member Since: 6/10/12 Posts: 1346 |
yellow wrkahlc -Lazer MMA - Thats is how it works. If Sherdog has a legend in their top ten, all of the other sites feel like they need to put him on their top ten for credibility. Honestly, I don't know how you can rank Vitor above Okami, Boetsch, Weidman, Costa, etc. You know, guys that have actually put together 4-5 win streaks at MW and/or are consistently beating top-competition. |
| 1/17/13 6:15 PM | |
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fapout
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Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 17342 |
yellow wrkahlc - because he has lost only twice since '06- and he lost to Silva and Jones. fucking noob. |
| 1/17/13 7:50 PM | |
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yellow wrkahlc
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fapout -yellow wrkahlc - I'm a "fucking noob" because I see no Top 10 wins since 2009 (a bout at 195 cw, nonetheless), and question his status in 2013 as a Top 10 middleweight? How about this: You're a fucking retard for considering a bout at 205 to have any direct correlation to rankings at 185. And yes, he lost to Anderson Silva, but who has he beaten at 185 since then? All of this has already been covered, so sit the fuck down, please. |
| 1/17/13 8:01 PM | |
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yellow wrkahlc
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And let's put this in perspective: Bisping just broke Top 10 in many your eyes with that win over Stann. His losses at 185? Sonnen, Wanderlei, and Henderson. And even though those losses set him back, he was still beating everyone else they put in front of him, yet most of you laughed at the idea of Bisping being a Top 10 fighter at MW. ^How is that any different from Belfort? Lost to the champion (like everyone else who faced him), yet his only other wins at 185 are over Martin, Lindland and Akiyama. Same damn concept. Belfort's a hell of a fighter, but in reality, he's not above anyone on those lists. Hell, Lombard should be squeezed in at #10. |
| 1/17/13 8:07 PM | |
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Lazer MMA
Member Since: 4/24/12 Posts: 5874 |
fapout -yellow wrkahlc - For real, fapout going full retard? The man has ZERO BIG WINS AT MW period. VTFD |
| 1/17/13 8:15 PM | |
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UGCTT_whittaker_is_the _real_demolition _man
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Member Since: 10/19/11 Posts: 1297 |
fapout -yellow wrkahlc - Read the thread. |
| 1/17/13 8:17 PM | |
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fapout
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Lazer MMA -fapout -yellow wrkahlc - yet another fucking noob |
| 1/17/13 8:25 PM | |
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Lazer MMA
Member Since: 4/24/12 Posts: 5876 |
LMFAO What big wins did the man have at MW in his life? Let's talk MMA How is a top rating at MW justified? Because "he has lost only twice since '06"? WTF did he beat at 85 ever? I'd guess I was fighting when your mom was breast feeding your ass. You call me a noob LMFAO. I watched UFC 1, and was in Japan for an early PRIDe event. Back your shit up, any moron can call names! |
| 1/17/13 8:44 PM | |
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Lazer MMA
Edited: 01/17/13 8:45 PM Member Since: 4/24/12 Posts: 5877 |
Yea I didn't think your ass was coming back "he has lost only twice since '06". BUT his LAST BIG WIN WAS IN 04 via cut! DERP |
| 1/17/13 8:48 PM | |
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fapout
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Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 17352 |
Lazer MMA - ^ lmfao at this NOOB! |
| 1/17/13 8:50 PM | |
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fapout
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Lazer MMA - whoa! we've got a badass overhere!! I'll back it up.. sign up for the UGGP, bitch. |
| 1/17/13 8:52 PM | |
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fapout
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Loss 21–10 Jon Jones Submission (keylock) UFC 152 September 22, 2012 4 0:54 Toronto, Ontario, Canada For the UFC Light Heavyweight Championship Win 21–9 Anthony Johnson Submission (rear naked choke) UFC 142 January 14, 2012 1 4:49 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil Catchweight of 197 lbs. Win 20–9 Yoshihiro Akiyama KO (punches) UFC 133 August 6, 2011 1 1:52 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States Knockout of the Night. Loss 19–9 Anderson Silva KO (front kick and punches) UFC 126 February 5, 2011 1 3:25 Las Vegas, Nevada, United States For the UFC Middleweight Championship. Win 19–8 Rich Franklin KO (punches) UFC 103 September 19, 2009 1 3:02 Dallas, Texas, United States Catchweight of 195 lbs. Knockout of the Night. Win 18–8 Matt Lindland KO (punches) Affliction: Day of Reckoning January 24, 2009 1 0:37 Anaheim, California, United States Win 17–8 Terry Martin KO (punches) Affliction: Banned July 19, 2008 2 3:12 Anaheim, California, United States Middleweight Debut. Win 16–8 James Zikic Decision (unanimous) Cage Rage 23 September 22, 2007 3 5:00 London, England Won the Cage Rage Light Heavyweight Championship. Win 15–8 Ivan Serati TKO (punches) Cage Rage 21 April 21, 2007 1 3:47 London, England why is he ranked so high, GTFO! |
| 1/17/13 8:55 PM | |
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fapout
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Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 17356 |
yeah, didn't think your ass would show up |
| 1/17/13 8:58 PM | |
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Lazer MMA
Member Since: 4/24/12 Posts: 5878 |
This is the GP now! Right here. You say Belfort deserves a top MW rating and I say that assertion is a joke. I say his last big win was in 04 via cut (not a MW), you say "LMFAO" at that. Okay can you make a case for Belfort ranking or are you just talking out of your ass? The case that "he has lost only twice since '06", and having no big wins at MW does not cut it (that Belfort deserves a top MW rating, let me fuckin clue you in son). |
| 1/17/13 9:01 PM | |
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fapout
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Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 17357 |
Lazer MMA - umm, no this isn't the GP. this is the internet. Lets go fucker, UGGP. I'll get ahold of Logan and get teh ball rolling. wanna call me out, punk. Lets go, real life...and the UGGP is about a 2 hr drive for me. |
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