UnderGround Forum >> Disappointed Pros are quiet about TLI

Tom Lawlor - 

Rape is a terrible offense and if it was indeed a gang rape attempt then Lloyd screwed up bigtime.
There you happy? Not quite sure what you are trying to accomplish but if just because someone is involved in the same sport as someone else doesn't mean everyone in that sport needs to comment on the matter.

By your logic whenever a McDonalds worker rapes someone then every McDonalds worker should make a statement on it.

I think we can agree almost no fighter is supporting rape just because they haven't been blasting TLi on twitter/fb/UG/etc

Tom Lawlor -  Rape is a terrible offense and if it was indeed a gang rape attempt then Lloyd screwed up bigtime.
There you happy? Not quite sure what you are trying to accomplish but if just because someone is involved in the same sport as someone else doesn't mean everyone in that sport needs to comment on the matter.

By your logic whenever a McDonalds worker rapes someone then every McDonalds worker should make a statement on it.

I think we can agree almost no fighter is supporting rape just because they haven't been blasting TLi on twitter/fb/UG/etc

this. to call all fighters cowards when really there is no need to comment is stupid.

Winston Wolf - 

Tom Lawlor - 

Rape is a terrible offense and if it was indeed a gang rape attempt then Lloyd screwed up bigtime.
There you happy? Not quite sure what you are trying to accomplish but if just because someone is involved in the same sport as someone else doesn't mean everyone in that sport needs to comment on the matter.

By your logic whenever a McDonalds worker rapes someone then every McDonalds worker should make a statement on it.

I think we can agree almost no fighter is supporting rape just because they haven't been blasting TLi on twitter/fb/UG/etc

i wouldnt compare a McDs worker with a teacher of BJJ who is a role model and leader.A person at McDs is not a leader he is not someone his student look up to as well as the community.I didnt say every fighter I said no UFC fighter has said a peep except you.Yes I would like to see some prominant names such as yourself speak out against a rapist who has students who have raped who have brutally raped a young female student.

so u r saying a trainer is culpable for all the sins of those traneing under him? do u even trane?

Winston Wolf - 

Orcus Knows MMA Better Than Goku - 

Fedors Jim Jams - 

Orcus Knows MMA Better Than Goku - 

because its not worth addressing. the two that raped the girl. yes its bad but those guys are nobodies and it has nothing to do with mma.  as for irvin so he was witn people that raped a girl 22 years ago. repeat that to yourself. 22 years ago.  no rape.  why make a bold moral stand about that now? what purpose does that serve.

justice

if you won't fight for it, then you don't deserve to have it.

what justice? are fighters all part of law enforcement.  and i dont know the whole story but wasnt it investigated? rape of course is bad but if someone does somethung stupid over two decades ago and were investigated and or served their penalty they should be blacklisted for life?

in this case yes and please dont post anymore on this thread

1. its my sworn duty to battle ignorance on the ug

2. youre not the boss of me

Orcus Knows MMA Better Than Goku - 

Winston Wolf - 

Tom Lawlor - 

Rape is a terrible offense and if it was indeed a gang rape attempt then Lloyd screwed up bigtime.
There you happy? Not quite sure what you are trying to accomplish but if just because someone is involved in the same sport as someone else doesn't mean everyone in that sport needs to comment on the matter.

By your logic whenever a McDonalds worker rapes someone then every McDonalds worker should make a statement on it.

I think we can agree almost no fighter is supporting rape just because they haven't been blasting TLi on twitter/fb/UG/etc

i wouldnt compare a McDs worker with a teacher of BJJ who is a role model and leader.A person at McDs is not a leader he is not someone his student look up to as well as the community.I didnt say every fighter I said no UFC fighter has said a peep except you.Yes I would like to see some prominant names such as yourself speak out against a rapist who has students who have raped who have brutally raped a young female student.

so u r saying a trainer is culpable for all the sins of those traneing under him? do u even trane?

Orcus Knows MMA Better Than Goku - 

Winston Wolf - 

Orcus Knows MMA Better Than Goku - 

Fedors Jim Jams - 

Orcus Knows MMA Better Than Goku - 

because its not worth addressing. the two that raped the girl. yes its bad but those guys are nobodies and it has nothing to do with mma.  as for irvin so he was witn people that raped a girl 22 years ago. repeat that to yourself. 22 years ago.  no rape.  why make a bold moral stand about that now? what purpose does that serve.

justice

if you won't fight for it, then you don't deserve to have it.

what justice? are fighters all part of law enforcement.  and i dont know the whole story but wasnt it investigated? rape of course is bad but if someone does somethung stupid over two decades ago and were investigated and or served their penalty they should be blacklisted for life?

in this case yes and please dont post anymore on this thread

1. its my sworn duty to battle ignorance on the ug

2. youre not the boss of me

Evzey -  I'd also like to know why no MMA journalist has tried to look into this matter

http://www.fightopinion.com/2013/01/12/court-lloyd-irvin-students-rape/

http://www.cagepotato.com/so-i-guess-we-should-talk-about-the-whole-lloyd-irvin-rape-thing/

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Report-Two-Men-Arrested-for-Alleged-Rape-of-Fellow-Lloyd-Irvin-Student-on-New-Years-Eve-48967

And just one of MANY stories from BloodyElbow.com:

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/1/18/3891382/gracie-brothers-lloyd-irvin-student-rape-case-bjj

I would post more, but I don't have enough time.

Winston Wolf - ok im wrong about that but dont go to those pages.

The big question here is not about holding the UFC, Zuffa fighters or the media accountable. I'd like to turn this around and ask you a question: What will you do to prevent sexual abuse or rape in the future?

EDIT: Also, what kinds of things can you do or contribute to help victims?

AK-BJJ -

GayGuardMooseSaucy -  The mma/BJJ media and community would rather protect Lloyd Irvin (this site included) than get the story out there like it should be.

Yeah I guess the lesson here is if you tweet about rape you get massacred, but if you're involved in rape it's all good

Brian J DSouza - 

Winston Wolf - ok im wrong about that but dont go to those pages.

 

The big question here is not about holding the UFC, Zuffa fighters or the media accountable. I'd like to turn this around and ask you a question: What will you do to prevent sexual abuse or rape in the future?

EDIT: Also, what kinds of things can you do or contribute to help victims?

 

 

whadafykumeanitstaken - 

Brian J DSouza - 

Evzey -  I'd also like to know why no MMA journalist has tried to look into this matter

http://www.fightopinion.com/2013/01/12/court-lloyd-irvin-students-rape/

http://www.cagepotato.com/so-i-guess-we-should-talk-about-the-whole-lloyd-irvin-rape-thing/

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Report-Two-Men-Arrested-for-Alleged-Rape-of-Fellow-Lloyd-Irvin-Student-on-New-Years-Eve-48967

And just one of MANY stories from BloodyElbow.com:

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/1/18/3891382/gracie-brothers-lloyd-irvin-student-rape-case-bjj

I would post more, but I don't have enough time.

It is being covered by other sotes/mma journalists.

It is being Covered UP by this website. How UG blog has not done an artucle is beyond me.

The post by Avellan, thatMA wanted to be up, got erased. The comments by head trainer calling the victim a dirty whore got erases. Lloydirvinrape.com thread got erased.

Posts of fighters giving their opiniins got erased.

This site has made a thorough attemp to hide this saga. It is only because the smart and ethical people of the UG refuse to let it die. As we should.

Offered your services to the UFC to do what, exactly, for Zuffa? What does that have to do with the victims, who you rage on and on about defending in this thread?

Winston Wolf - 

Brian J DSouza - 

Winston Wolf - ok im wrong about that but dont go to those pages.

 

The big question here is not about holding the UFC, Zuffa fighters or the media accountable. I'd like to turn this around and ask you a question: What will you do to prevent sexual abuse or rape in the future?

EDIT: Also, what kinds of things can you do or contribute to help victims?

 

 

first off i was wrong about the media I will admit that But would have liked to see some Pro fighters or UFC reps speak on this But Im a nobody and in no position to make demands this is just a thread.What will I personally do ?well I have offered my services to UFC and Cindy O personally gave Dana my resume that I personally made for him.But he never responded.

next time try not writing your resume in crayon

Winston Wolf - 

Orcus Knows MMA Better Than Goku - 

Winston Wolf - 

Tom Lawlor - 

Rape is a terrible offense and if it was indeed a gang rape attempt then Lloyd screwed up bigtime.
There you happy? Not quite sure what you are trying to accomplish but if just because someone is involved in the same sport as someone else doesn't mean everyone in that sport needs to comment on the matter.

By your logic whenever a McDonalds worker rapes someone then every McDonalds worker should make a statement on it.

I think we can agree almost no fighter is supporting rape just because they haven't been blasting TLi on twitter/fb/UG/etc

i wouldnt compare a McDs worker with a teacher of BJJ who is a role model and leader.A person at McDs is not a leader he is not someone his student look up to as well as the community.I didnt say every fighter I said no UFC fighter has said a peep except you.Yes I would like to see some prominant names such as yourself speak out against a rapist who has students who have raped who have brutally raped a young female student.

so u r saying a trainer is culpable for all the sins of those traneing under him? do u even trane?

im a purple belt and trained for 7 years what about you ? (crickets ???? ah Lloyd did the rape or tried but was limp dicked.If the trainer is there and allows it to happen like Limpy Lloyd yes hes just as guilty.Plus the girl said he raped her

i wrestled since middle school and started bjj in 2002 son.

and presumably lloyd was tried and exonerated or served his time.  rape is bad but at what point do u allow him to go on with his life.

Orcus Knows MMA Better Than Goku - 

Winston Wolf - 

Orcus Knows MMA Better Than Goku - 

Winston Wolf - 

Tom Lawlor - 

Rape is a terrible offense and if it was indeed a gang rape attempt then Lloyd screwed up bigtime.
There you happy? Not quite sure what you are trying to accomplish but if just because someone is involved in the same sport as someone else doesn't mean everyone in that sport needs to comment on the matter.

By your logic whenever a McDonalds worker rapes someone then every McDonalds worker should make a statement on it.

I think we can agree almost no fighter is supporting rape just because they haven't been blasting TLi on twitter/fb/UG/etc

i wouldnt compare a McDs worker with a teacher of BJJ who is a role model and leader.A person at McDs is not a leader he is not someone his student look up to as well as the community.I didnt say every fighter I said no UFC fighter has said a peep except you.Yes I would like to see some prominant names such as yourself speak out against a rapist who has students who have raped who have brutally raped a young female student.

so u r saying a trainer is culpable for all the sins of those traneing under him? do u even trane?

im a purple belt and trained for 7 years what about you ? (crickets ???? ah Lloyd did the rape or tried but was limp dicked.If the trainer is there and allows it to happen like Limpy Lloyd yes hes just as guilty.Plus the girl said he raped her

i wrestled since middle school and started bjj in 2002 son.

 

and presumably lloyd was tried and exonerated or served his time.  rape is bad but at what point do u allow him to go on with his life.

Apparently, not soon enough for you.

This will end when it ends.

Orcus Knows MMA Better Than Goku - 

Winston Wolf - 

Orcus Knows MMA Better Than Goku - 

Winston Wolf - 

Tom Lawlor - 

Rape is a terrible offense and if it was indeed a gang rape attempt then Lloyd screwed up bigtime.
There you happy? Not quite sure what you are trying to accomplish but if just because someone is involved in the same sport as someone else doesn't mean everyone in that sport needs to comment on the matter.

By your logic whenever a McDonalds worker rapes someone then every McDonalds worker should make a statement on it.

I think we can agree almost no fighter is supporting rape just because they haven't been blasting TLi on twitter/fb/UG/etc

i wouldnt compare a McDs worker with a teacher of BJJ who is a role model and leader.A person at McDs is not a leader he is not someone his student look up to as well as the community.I didnt say every fighter I said no UFC fighter has said a peep except you.Yes I would like to see some prominant names such as yourself speak out against a rapist who has students who have raped who have brutally raped a young female student.

so u r saying a trainer is culpable for all the sins of those traneing under him? do u even trane?

im a purple belt and trained for 7 years what about you ? (crickets ???? ah Lloyd did the rape or tried but was limp dicked.If the trainer is there and allows it to happen like Limpy Lloyd yes hes just as guilty.Plus the girl said he raped her

i wrestled since middle school and started bjj in 2002 son.

 

and presumably lloyd was tried and exonerated or served his time.  rape is bad but at what point do u allow him to go on with his life.

Fedors Jim Jams - 

spartancs - 

Some guys do what they think is right and let the chips fall where they may, other guys run a self interest calculation first.

there shouldn't be any calculation when it comes to rape and pedophilia. its the most clean cut issue out there as far as im concerned. there is no calculation or justification for these acts. everyone has at least a mother, a wife or girlfriend or sister or a daughter or a niece. its the same when its comes to pedophiles, we were all kids once. if you don't see and understand this point, i have to question if you are an adult. killers and murderers can be justified more than rapists and pedophiles can.

I agree with you.  

This event will smoke out the guys who are wired like Ryan Hall and the guys who are wired like Marcos Avellan & Phil Proctor.  

Tom Lawlor -  Rape is a terrible offense and if it was indeed a gang rape attempt then Lloyd screwed up bigtime.
There you happy? Not quite sure what you are trying to accomplish but if just because someone is involved in the same sport as someone else doesn't mean everyone in that sport needs to comment on the matter.

By your logic whenever a McDonalds worker rapes someone then every McDonalds worker should make a statement on it.

I think we can agree almost no fighter is supporting rape just because they haven't been blasting TLi on twitter/fb/UG/etc

JOESONDO -  It's easy to say as some faceless, nameless person on the Internet. You have nothing to lose. Why should they get involved when they had nothing to do with the situation and lots to lose? They don't know the situation, they were not involved and they are staying out of it. LI is deeply involved in the industry, is affiliated with countless people. Why burn bridges that you may need later when there is nothing to be gained from it?

They are no more obligated to get involved in this situation as anybody else is.

Brian J DSouza - 

No, I'm saying a cause is a cause. Many UFC fighters HAVE stood up against sexual abuse and taken an open stand, like Frank Shamrock and Ronda Rousey.

In terms of them getting fired, no, that's not likely (but remember the case of Todd Duffee). More likely, its unwanted attention over an issue Zuffa would rather not have attached or associated to MMA/UFC.

Think about it.

If you have to think about it, there's something in you that's detached you from your humanity.

They may TRY to paint everything gray, but some of us still recognize the existence of black and white.