UnderGround Forum >> Cant Stomach Lentz/Nunes, why watch MMA?

Glovegate - 

Hip hop wouldn't be music without rhyming and beats, it would be poetry I guess.

 

They're paying, they're allowed to complain.  Paying customers complaints are usually met with action.

You're angry that people don't like the things you like.  Nobody cares.  Your complaints are falling on deaf ears and you're gaining nothing but vote downs.

Welcome to the internet, now get the fuck out.

12SixElbow - 

Everyone likes different things.

 

caposa - 

I appreciate dominating grappling performances but I can't pretend I was on the edge of my seat while watching that one. Boring fights are boring fights. I think everyone here prefers an impressive KO or submission over a Lentz/Nunes type win, but under the scoring criteria it is a legitimate way to win. You can always change the channel.

Caleb R -  Fans don't realize how good they have it these days.

if someone says a fitch or lentz fight wasnt the most exciting thing they've seen, there's always gunna be somone claiming youre not a real fan....

quite defensive fans I must say. Strikers are a part of mediocre fights as well...it doesnt make you a fake fan to admit it.

just my 2 cents

Wasa-B - Judo has also been heavily, heavily criticized for their rule changes as well. Same with wrestling. There is nothing more stupid than that pick a ball thing. WTF?

HandyDarsh - 

if someone says a fitch or lentz fight wasnt the most exciting thing they've seen, there's always gunna be somone claiming youre not a real fan....

quite defensive fans I must say. Strikers are a part of mediocre fights as well...it doesnt make you a fake fan to admit it.

just my 2 cents

Is this 2010 again? Sure we went through all this after Lentz had that fight with Andre Winner

HandyDarsh - 

if someone says a fitch or lentz fight wasnt the most exciting thing they've seen, there's always gunna be somone claiming youre not a real fan....

quite defensive fans I must say. Strikers are a part of mediocre fights as well...it doesnt make you a fake fan to admit it.

just my 2 cents

BlueNamer - i'm a huge nba fan. i don't like every basketball game i watch and i'm not obligated to.

complaining about a sport you watch is your prerogative as a viewer, you are the consumer. you would bitch about a pair of jeans that you bought that you didn't like, wouldn't you?

that being said, i enjoyed that fight more than most lentz fights. he controlled the shit out of him - but don't lie to yourself here. it would have been more exciting if nunes scrambled out and got the ko! (nunes' fault)

Gokudamus stole my name - 

Wasa-B - Judo has also been heavily, heavily criticized for their rule changes as well. Same with wrestling. There is nothing more stupid than that pick a ball thing. WTF?

Sure by the judokas/wrestlers the rules affected and a small hardcore fanbase on the internet. They didnt change the rules because they were bored and had nothing to do, interest was dropping, the crowds were getting smaller and tv was showing less attention. Without an audience, no sport can survive

FinestScotch - 

Wasa-B - 

FinestScotch - 

Didn't try nearly hard enough to finish.

If there weren't guys like say Joe Lauzon aggressively finishing fight after fight with grappling (MMA grappling 101 imo, I might have started to take your OP seriously.

Position before submissions is terribly boring, whether it requires skill or not.

According to fightmetric, he had 8 passes and 0 sub attempts. He wasn't exactly landing bombs either.

Safety blankets are boring as shit to watch. Try to finish the fuckin fight.

http://hosteddb.fightmetric.com/fights/index/4211

He had the back a few times, did try for the RNC, just didnt get that far. So he isnt Joe Lauzon. This is what im taking about. How many Joe Lauzon's can there be? You seriously expect any fighter in MMA that takes the fight to the ground to be able to be as exciting/good as J-Lau? Not very realistic. You dont have those expectations in other sports, you can just watch the games as sports and not constantly be demanding to be entertained every minute of the games.

Position before submission is a fundamental of grappling. You dont expect football teams to go for the td every single play, you accept the run the ball and pass for small gains. You dont expect boxers to go for the KO every punch, you accept that they jab and feel out the other opponent and try to figure their opponent out by boxing and not brawling. But you expect grapplers in MMA to put sumission before position. Not very realistic. There are some like Sato, Imanari, Mir that can pull crazy subs out of nowhere but those are the exceptions and that's what makes them exciting. Lets not forget that guys that put submission before position often get beat by sound positional guys.

So, yeah, why not just watch spors where safety blanketting is prohibited like....boxing. You'll never have to worry about lack of submisson attempts, ever.

You're defending the most boring aspect of MMA by comparing it to the most boring parts of other sports.

This is fundamentally retarded... "They have boring parts so we should too!"

Other sports constantly adjust rules that boring teams abuse in favor of more exciting matches.

What Lentz did was the ground equivalent of what Guida almost did standing to Maynard; the absolute bare requirement to get the W - 1 half-assed RNC isn't good enough. If this was all there was to see in MMA, then I would absolutely not watch it.

I don't have a problem with grappling, but someone with 12 minutes of ground time, no real punishing striking and 1 half assed RNC attempt should have the rules force them to get way more takedowns for a win, at the very least.

Wasa-B - 

BlueNamer - i'm a huge nba fan. i don't like every basketball game i watch and i'm not obligated to.

complaining about a sport you watch is your prerogative as a viewer, you are the consumer. you would bitch about a pair of jeans that you bought that you didn't like, wouldn't you?

that being said, i enjoyed that fight more than most lentz fights. he controlled the shit out of him - but don't lie to yourself here. it would have been more exciting if nunes scrambled out and got the ko! (nunes' fault)

I bet you dont expect every game to be game of the century either though and dont bitch if you dont see tons of 360 dunks in the first quarter.

As for this fight, I was expecting Nunes to do what you said, so when Lentz dominated him the way he did, i found that interesting though not particularly exciting. It told me Nunes has some ways to go still to be the man.

BlueNamer - 

Wasa-B - 

BlueNamer - i'm a huge nba fan. i don't like every basketball game i watch and i'm not obligated to.

complaining about a sport you watch is your prerogative as a viewer, you are the consumer. you would bitch about a pair of jeans that you bought that you didn't like, wouldn't you?

that being said, i enjoyed that fight more than most lentz fights. he controlled the shit out of him - but don't lie to yourself here. it would have been more exciting if nunes scrambled out and got the ko! (nunes' fault)

I bet you dont expect every game to be game of the century either though and dont bitch if you dont see tons of 360 dunks in the first quarter.

As for this fight, I was expecting Nunes to do what you said, so when Lentz dominated him the way he did, i found that interesting though not particularly exciting. It told me Nunes has some ways to go still to be the man.

i concur. i did not hate this fight and i enjoy 90% of mma fights. but i'm also not shocked in the slightest to see people complaining about lentz again. i'm just simply stating that whatever the reason people find to bitch about something (which they will) sometimes you just have to remember that people are fucking morons and i guess it's ultimately up to them as the consumer how they voice their opinions. that's all.

Wasa-B - 

BlueNamer - 

Wasa-B - 

BlueNamer - i'm a huge nba fan. i don't like every basketball game i watch and i'm not obligated to.

complaining about a sport you watch is your prerogative as a viewer, you are the consumer. you would bitch about a pair of jeans that you bought that you didn't like, wouldn't you?

that being said, i enjoyed that fight more than most lentz fights. he controlled the shit out of him - but don't lie to yourself here. it would have been more exciting if nunes scrambled out and got the ko! (nunes' fault)

I bet you dont expect every game to be game of the century either though and dont bitch if you dont see tons of 360 dunks in the first quarter.

As for this fight, I was expecting Nunes to do what you said, so when Lentz dominated him the way he did, i found that interesting though not particularly exciting. It told me Nunes has some ways to go still to be the man.

i concur. i did not hate this fight and i enjoy 90% of mma fights. but i'm also not shocked in the slightest to see people complaining about lentz again. i'm just simply stating that whatever the reason people find to bitch about something (which they will) sometimes you just have to remember that people are fucking morons and i guess it's ultimately up to them as the consumer how they voice their opinions. that's all.

The difference is the casual fans who would bitch about a bball game in the NBA not being exciting enough will probably tune out of the sport or only watch if they get together with their boys at the bar so not be there particularly to watch the game cuz they're into it the sport, but just happen to be there cause a couple of their other friends want to watch and everyone wants to drink.

That's a big chunk of how dudes get together and watch sports.

The difference is, those casual NBA fans will not take to the NBA forums to bitch about how boring this and that game was. They dont care, they were just there to drink. There seems to be a lot of MMA fans who follow MMA and watch it alot but bitch constantly about every fight that involves grappling that didnt end up in a finish or fight of the millenium.

So if such a fundamental part of the game causes them so much grief, im not telling them to not watch it, im wondering why they watch it.

I think it really is similar to running the ball in football. There is no real football fan that gets irrate about teams doing so.

BlueNamer - 

Wasa-B - 

BlueNamer - 

Wasa-B - 

BlueNamer - i'm a huge nba fan. i don't like every basketball game i watch and i'm not obligated to.

complaining about a sport you watch is your prerogative as a viewer, you are the consumer. you would bitch about a pair of jeans that you bought that you didn't like, wouldn't you?

that being said, i enjoyed that fight more than most lentz fights. he controlled the shit out of him - but don't lie to yourself here. it would have been more exciting if nunes scrambled out and got the ko! (nunes' fault)

I bet you dont expect every game to be game of the century either though and dont bitch if you dont see tons of 360 dunks in the first quarter.

As for this fight, I was expecting Nunes to do what you said, so when Lentz dominated him the way he did, i found that interesting though not particularly exciting. It told me Nunes has some ways to go still to be the man.

i concur. i did not hate this fight and i enjoy 90% of mma fights. but i'm also not shocked in the slightest to see people complaining about lentz again. i'm just simply stating that whatever the reason people find to bitch about something (which they will) sometimes you just have to remember that people are fucking morons and i guess it's ultimately up to them as the consumer how they voice their opinions. that's all.

The difference is the casual fans who would bitch about a bball game in the NBA not being exciting enough will probably tune out of the sport or only watch if they get together with their boys at the bar so not be there particularly to watch the game cuz they're into it the sport, but just happen to be there cause a couple of their other friends want to watch and everyone wants to drink.

That's a big chunk of how dudes get together and watch sports.

The difference is, those casual NBA fans will not take to the NBA forums to bitch about how boring this and that game was. They dont care, they were just there to drink. There seems to be a lot of MMA fans who follow MMA and watch it alot but bitch constantly about every fight that involves grappling that didnt end up in a finish or fight of the millenium.

So if such a fundamental part of the game causes them so much grief, im not telling them to not watch it, im wondering why they watch it.

I think it really is similar to running the ball in football. There is no real football fan that gets irrate about teams doing so.

yeah you're right. i'll just boil it down to two bullet points.

-people are fucking morons.
-mma fans are the most fickle fans on the planet.

i'm not disagreeing with anything you've said. i guess i'm just saying i wouldn't lose sleep over it. that's the only thing that's on the forums anyways - constant bitching. if it doesnt' start out that way, it ends that way.

quick - You can appreciate what he is doing and still find it boring. Personally I'm more a fan of guys who let it all hang out win, lose, or draw.

UGCTT_mousetrap - 

quick - You can appreciate what he is doing and still find it boring. Personally I'm more a fan of guys who let it all hang out win, lose, or draw.

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DanGold - For me, it's trying to finish that's important. If you can't finish a guy, that's one thing. If you're passing guard at will and your coach (mentioning no names, but a coach who looks like a penis) tells you not to pass guard then that sucks and is bullshit.