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UnderGround Forum >> Rampage: Jon Jones' oblique kick should be banned
| 1/22/13 1:21 PM | |
chupecabre
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Member Since: 10/26/05 Posts: 67 |
All leg kicks should be banned. That shit hurts! |
| 1/22/13 1:24 PM | |
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tbi0904
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Member Since: 10/24/10 Posts: 1001 |
Billytk - Have to agree with Rampage here that is a dirty kick (which MOST honorable fighters don't use) and is Way more dangerous then a lot of the strikes that are banned If that were true there would be an epidemic of blown out knees in savate. I think most people think the point of the kick is to damage the knee, which would be incorrect. The point of the kick is to disrupt the balance and timing of an opponent. It's not a pretty visual to be sure but neither is suplexing or powerboming an opponent on their neck/head. |
| 1/22/13 1:46 PM | |
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TheKidAintMine
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Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 13050 |
ttt |
| 1/22/13 1:49 PM | |
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Willin
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Member Since: 4/20/11 Posts: 4035 |
tbi0904 -Savate is also a pure striking art where fighters are trained to block and absorb such kicks. They have a LOT less weight on their front feet since they don't shoot in. It's not even a close comparison to MMA. In MMA guys have a MUCH more limited ability to defend the kick due to the presence of takedowns. Anyone is nuts who say a knee bending inwards without the opportunity to defend is not harmful to fighters careers.Billytk - Have to agree with Rampage here that is a dirty kick (which MOST honorable fighters don't use) and is Way more dangerous then a lot of the strikes that are banned 
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| 1/22/13 2:02 PM | |
RileyPust
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Member Since: 6/4/11 Posts: 763 |
I think it can be dangerous, but in no way is it dirty. I think it should be legal. If they make it illegal, it wouldn't be long before we lost leglocks. |
| 1/22/13 2:07 PM | |
ranier wolfcastle
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Member Since: 11/28/03 Posts: 59570 |
HAS ANYONE BLOWN OUT A KNEE FROM TAKING 1 OF THESE KICKS IN MMA YET? |
| 1/22/13 2:09 PM | |
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Sal Penis
Member Since: 10/12/11 Posts: 4622 |
Damn that Vera kick is fucked up. It is absolutely a dirty move. Why do you think the majority of fighters dont use it? Cause its cheap. Fight like a real man and thrown some bombs. Ban that fucking shit. These cheap tactics are the reason I root against Jones, Vera etc. |
| 1/22/13 2:12 PM | |
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TheDigitalRuler
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Member Since: 11/17/04 Posts: 5460 |
It's a legit technique, IMO. I see no reason why it should be banned. |
| 1/22/13 2:14 PM | |
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PJ Benn Fan
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Member Since: 4/2/08 Posts: 11474 |
ranier wolfcastle - IDK if someone ever received long term damage from one, but I remember the one Jardine took from Vera in the gif on page 1 seemed to fuck up his movement for the rest of the fight |
| 1/22/13 2:15 PM | |
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GladiatorGannon
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Member Since: 9/1/04 Posts: 20405 |
l8r |
| 1/22/13 2:19 PM | |
OnlyTheStrongSurvive
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Member Since: 1/29/11 Posts: 10458 |
This is a kick that looks way worse than it is. The goal of the kick isn't to blow out your opponents knees anyways. Why does Rampage have to complain about everything? He seems like a very unhappy person
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| 1/22/13 2:26 PM | |
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UGSlapshot
Member Since: 10/21/12 Posts: 581 |
Bah, leg kicks to the side of the knee can blow out a knee just as quickly.
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| 1/22/13 2:30 PM | |
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Bukorrki
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Member Since: 1/31/12 Posts: 12 |
Compare this to Anderson's being fine with the idea of fighting without rules. Anderson said it in an old Sherdog video. I'll have to try and find it. |
| 1/22/13 2:31 PM | |
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Willin
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Member Since: 4/20/11 Posts: 4036 |
OnlyTheStrongSurvive - This is a kick that looks way worse than it is. The goal of the kick isn't to blow out your opponents knees anyways.It's a kick intended to maintain range. Front kicks, obliques to the thigh, and jabs can all do the same things. There's no reason guys knees should be getting bent in the opposite direction when those alternatives exist. Also saying side kicks are equally prone to damaging the knee is retarded. The vast majority of the time a leg will swing to the side when struck with a side kick. An oblique kick below the knee is cheap as hell and it torques a vital joint in the opposite direction it's intended to move.
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| 1/22/13 2:32 PM | |
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GSTREBENDT
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Member Since: 11/4/02 Posts: 1998 |
then slams should be banned because you might accidently head but Arona unintentionally and head buts are illegel??? Also ban rushing in and punching wildly because accidental headbuts can occur?? when are people going to realize that more rules are just watering down mma... |
| 1/22/13 2:48 PM | |
Herring In A Fur Coat
Member Since: 4/27/08 Posts: 19461 FightMatrix.com, MMA Rankings |
Rampage should be banned from talking. |
| 1/22/13 2:59 PM | |
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Carrtrouble
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Member Since: 8/14/11 Posts: 1441 |
While I think rampages constant whining lately is pretty damn annoying I really don't think that kick, directly to the knee cap, should be legal (throw it above or below whatever) but just seems like it could be really damaging to the fighters. As a fan having GSP out for a year after his knee got blown out was frustrating as fuck. Imagine that kick hyper extending the knee of another favorite fighter or doing serious damage then another big figure is sidelined. This sport, while it is FIGHTING, is injury prone enough and I just don't think that is a technique that is worth the risk to the longevity of the receiving athletes career. It's an attack that isn't thrown to stop a fight but could severely damage the fighter going forward from that fight. What do you guys think? 
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| 1/22/13 3:02 PM | |
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Herring In A Fur Coat
Member Since: 4/27/08 Posts: 19462 FightMatrix.com, MMA Rankings |
Carrtrouble - While I think rampages constant whining lately is pretty damn annoying I really don't think that kick, directly to the knee cap, should be legal (throw it above or below whatever) but just seems like it could be really damaging to the fighters. Fighters most often blow out their knees on shooting or defending takedowns. Name one fighter who has been injured by an oblique kick to the knee. You can't. Why? Because while it "seems like it could be really damaging", it usually isn't. If you hate fighters sitting out for a long time with blown knee ligaments, ban takedowns. |
| 1/22/13 3:13 PM | |
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octowussy
Member Since: 8/12/10 Posts: 2412 |
"How would he like it if somebody threw it at him..." Okay, so what's stopping them? |
| 1/22/13 3:17 PM | |
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Zed Wayne Zed
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Member Since: 10/20/11 Posts: 1150 |
I Feel like they are pretty dangerous. A top notch pro fighter kicking against the grain of your knee makes me feel sick. I am actually okay with this. I don't want to see guys taking these and never being the same again. I dunno though, I don't fight. What do the greens have to say? |
| 1/22/13 3:17 PM | |
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andyman011
Member Since: 12/7/11 Posts: 821 |
octowussy - "How would he like it if somebody threw it at him..." Maybe the ridiculous range, look at the pic of jones throwing it on vitor. He is nowhere near range to counter, but having long limbs isn't illegal. I think you would have a very similar injury from a kneebar. Either way, when anderson moves up he will catch that kick all day and make jones pay. |
| 1/22/13 3:21 PM | |
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Ryan Black
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Member Since: 4/30/12 Posts: 1332 |
Hmm. I've never received a knee-teep (my Goldie-ism for the day) quite like that, even lightly, in a sparring session before... so I can't be exactly sure of how it feels. I can tell you, however, that it certainly looks nasty as hell. Should it be banned? Until further evidence comes forward- like a career-shortening injury occurring as a result of said kick- I don't believe so. And even then- is banning more moves really the answer we need? That's the question I find myself asking...
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| 1/22/13 3:21 PM | |
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T Bag
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 5952 |
This isn't an unusually dangerous kick. People will cry and scream that it is but they're just wrong. Flat out. |
| 1/22/13 3:24 PM | |
KZTT_W85
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Member Since: 12/10/11 Posts: 2006 |
I don't think it should be illegal, I mean c'mon. On another note I can't wait for him to throw it at overeem, the reem is gonna snap those chicken legs And I'm no overeem fan (I'm a JDS nuthugger lol)
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| 1/22/13 3:26 PM | |
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Jons Forsberg
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 15101 |
I love his newfound concern for other fighters safety
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