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UnderGround Forum >> Cant Stomach Lentz/Nunes, why watch MMA?
| 1/22/13 1:29 PM | |
Brigham
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Member Since: 10/12/05 Posts: 24625 |
Lentz did fuckin awesome 
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| 1/22/13 1:32 PM | |
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Wasa-B
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Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 42867 |
5 o clock shadow - Lentz could do the same thing to Jon Jones and everyone would be complaining, "He just wrestle-fucked him!" Yeah, im surprised more people werent giving Lentz credit for a pretty decent upset in such dominating fashion. Call me an elitist but I find those circumstances and results in this sport interesting (without going to the extent to say the fight was super exciting but it def kept my interest). Also, I would also say there are only a few guys that are able to finish with such high frequency against top competition and it also depends on their too. Like Cain's is to grind and put the opponent thru attrition. He and Lentz are not dynamic strikers like Anderson or Aldo. Even JDS with his big punching power cannot finish all the time and its not wise to over exert yourself constantly trying to finish if you are unable since that can leave you gassed and vulnerable when you have a lead like JDS' fights with Big Country and Carwin (iirc he put the beat down on both but couldnt finish and had to pace his offense after it became apparent those 2 were able to survive). I do think Cain could work on his subs when he has his opponents grinded out on the ground but I think he also prefers to keep top position and not commit himself to certain positions that he may be reversed so no, he doesnt "let it all hang out" and I think at times wisely so. Similar to how GSP didnt put his hooks in against Serra and go roll for roll against an elite BJJ guy but kept top position to sustain a good GNP offense. Not exactly the same as Lentz/Nunes, Lentz had numerous advantageous positions, he just wasnt able to capitalize on them. I would say that his BJJ is then not excellent or elite but then again, how many fighters are? Even Damian Maia and Jacare have been unable to put guys away with plenty of ground time. Shinya Aoki is probably one of the best guys at capitalizing on opponents once he has them on the ground but I dont hear many people calling for him to be in the UFC ironically. And good point on Lentz's other fights. Most of these fans are quick to paint a guy over a single fight they choose to paint a fighter's entire career with. Guida is another. His Gray fight was absolutely pittiful but that was more the exception than the norm. Someone on this thread even compared Clay/Gray to this Lentz fight. |
| 1/22/13 1:54 PM | |
Smellde Gluve
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Member Since: 7/9/10 Posts: 1283 |
Personally I'm a bit wobbly on this matter. In general I think you should do whatever you have to within the rules to win you the fight. I was bored by this Lentz fight. I wasn't bored by Condit's strategy vs Diaz. I won't be bored by GSP taking Diaz down the whole fight. I'm not sure what it is that makes me appreciate wrestling and other nonfinishing strategies in some fights and in others I just get bored. Maybe it is when I have nothing invested in a fighter and I don't know much about them that I get bored by it as in the case with this Lentz fight.
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| 1/22/13 2:18 PM | |
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aka_rtotheoh
Member Since: 8/25/12 Posts: 405 |
Im all for the fighters doing whatever it takes to get the W. 
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| 1/22/13 2:20 PM | |
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Winston Wolf
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 33475 |
OP is correct |
| 1/22/13 2:20 PM | |
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Winston Wolf
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 33476 |
and vtfu |
| 1/22/13 3:14 PM | |
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Wasa-B
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Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 42868 |
Smellde Gluve - Its more the people that "cant stomach" or cant accept or whine for this type of to be banned from the sport that Im taking issue with. Finding stuff boring or exciting is again, quite subective. I just think that if you're gonna watch MMA, you should accept MMA for what it is, something that fundemantally involves grappling which will not always end up in a finish (whether striking or grappling). |
| 1/22/13 3:16 PM | |
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Smellde Gluve
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Member Since: 7/9/10 Posts: 1288 |
Wasa-B -Smellde Gluve - I agree with you. |
| 1/22/13 3:19 PM | |
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Wasa-B
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Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 42869 |
Also, for whoever was saying that as a paying customer, you always have a right to voice your opinion on the product in which you purchased. I think that's a bit narrow minded. Do people who pay to watch football get all up in arms about running the ball? Sure they can but doesnt it seem stupid to? Most football fans still want exciting games but im gonna go out on a limb and say that the majority (even the most rednecked) wont question the entire concept of running the ball and will expect to see it as part of the game. Im sure if that's all they say every game, each game, all game, that would be different but not all UFC fights are wrestle-f*cks every second of every fight either. Or paying money to attend or watch a K1 event. You gonna whine about the kicking and say I only like it when they punch? Are these unfair comparisons? |
| 1/22/13 3:22 PM | |
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Wasa-B
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Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 42870 |
Smellde Gluve -Wasa-B -Smellde Gluve - Cool. Like i said before too, it wasnt as if I was super on the edge of my seat thru this bout either. |
| 1/22/13 3:24 PM | |
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Wasa-B
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Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 42871 |
aka_rtotheoh - Im all for the fighters doing whatever it takes to get the W. Right. Not always gonna be the most exciting but seems that MMA is the only sport where fans that do not accept winning as the primary objective. |
| 1/22/13 6:35 PM | |
cortXbomb
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Member Since: 5/23/05 Posts: 723 |
I was entertained by this but then again I loved Hinkle vs Zentsov so maybe I just enjoy a good wrestlefucking. |
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