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UnderGround Forum >> Rampage: Jon Jones' oblique kick should be banned
| 1/22/13 3:29 PM | |
Wasa-B
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Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 42872 |
To be fair, I believe it is banned from most types of kickboxing and karate etc comps. But, imo, as long as its legal, its fair game. And as mentioned, it has not seemed to have ended up in a single notable injury yet. Guess not a lot of guys do it but.... |
| 1/22/13 3:32 PM | |
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andyman011
Member Since: 12/7/11 Posts: 822 |
Someone explain how to check one of these kicks, do you just take the foot off the ground, should you be aiming for him to hit somewhere other than your knee |
| 1/22/13 3:34 PM | |
IHangFromBJsBallSack
Member Since: 2/27/12 Posts: 2402 |
Fuck Jones but I usually get frozen in threads concerning his fights so ima just be quiet. 
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| 1/22/13 3:36 PM | |
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octowussy
Member Since: 8/12/10 Posts: 2413 |
andyman011 - Someone explain how to check one of these kicks, do you just take the foot off the ground, should you be aiming for him to hit somewhere other than your knee You don't check it, you move either your entire leg or that part of your leg out of the way. |
| 1/22/13 3:37 PM | |
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GunnarWreckedMyAssHAOLE
Member Since: 3/30/06 Posts: 23319 |
what about kneebars? they do the same eaxact thing that kid is intended to so |
| 1/22/13 3:39 PM | |
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andyman011
Member Since: 12/7/11 Posts: 823 |
octowussy -andyman011 - Someone explain how to check one of these kicks, do you just take the foot off the ground, should you be aiming for him to hit somewhere other than your knee That's a bit ridiculous, every move has a counter move. If there was a move that didn't, people would abuse it. I can agree it's low risk but to say just move out of the way it's really hard. I would think if you checked it similar to a normal leg kick, the 'piston' effect would hit your shin and kick it backwards which would avoid an injury, but it could leave you severely off balance |
| 1/22/13 3:39 PM | |
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Lynchman
Member Since: 4/6/03 Posts: 297 |
I just want Jackson to have his final fight and leave. It seems like the last 2-3 years have been nothing but him complaining. Complaints about the UFC, complaints about other fighters, complaints about Hollywood, complaints about fans....it never ends. If he really is that miserable, I hope he finds something that makes him happy and shuts up. |
| 1/22/13 3:40 PM | |
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andyman011
Member Since: 12/7/11 Posts: 824 |
GunnarWreckedMyAssHAOLE - It is the same type of injury, but you can't crank a kneebar 20x in a fight as where you can throw that oblique all day. |
| 1/22/13 3:41 PM | |
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stonepony
Member Since: 9/1/11 Posts: 4038 |
ZzzzzZZZzZzzzzzzz.... |
| 1/22/13 3:42 PM | |
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Lynchman
Member Since: 4/6/03 Posts: 299 |
I think Anderson Silva has used it in the past. |
| 1/22/13 3:49 PM | |
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Willin
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Member Since: 4/20/11 Posts: 4038 |
Comparing the Arona slam to the below-the-knee oblique kick is daft. The slam has counters and many ways to even prevent being put in that situation. Not to mention most humans can't execute it effectively due to the brute power required. The oblique is very difficult to counter in MMA due to the speed of it and because of the weight placed on the front foot to shoot takedowns or sprawl for the recipient. Hyperextending knees and risking injury ain't worth it. 
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| 1/22/13 3:54 PM | |
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octowussy
Member Since: 8/12/10 Posts: 2414 |
andyman011 -octowussy -andyman011 - Someone explain how to check one of these kicks, do you just take the foot off the ground, should you be aiming for him to hit somewhere other than your knee But smart movement is the counter. Teeps to the thigh are popular in muay Thai. While training at Sinbi in Phuket, the popular counter that we drilled over and over again was to pivot on your lead leg, like you were throwing a lead hook. And this allows you to come back with a rear kick, for instance. The problem with this is that, when used smartly, the oblique kick or the teep to the thigh are using to stop forward momentum. So any counter, whether it be the pivot or just raising your leg and catching it on the shin, accomplishes the same goal. |
| 1/22/13 3:55 PM | |
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octowussy
Member Since: 8/12/10 Posts: 2415 |
Willin - Comparing the Arona slam to the below-the-knee oblique kick is daft. The slam has counters and many ways to even prevent being put in that situation. Not to mention most humans can't execute it effectively due to the brute power required. It's MMA -- everything bears some risk. Get back to me when this actually causes an injury. |
| 1/22/13 4:02 PM | |
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PK618
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Member Since: 10/26/12 Posts: 22 |
If that kick's risk to the knee means it should be banned, Palhares is going to be out of a job, cuz heelhooks would be right out. |
| 1/22/13 4:14 PM | |
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Stubjj844
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Member Since: 12/7/10 Posts: 414 |
Rampage doesn't even kick. Im sure if you asked him he would be for banning all kicks. Maybe if in the 14 years he has been doing mma he practised more kicks, Jones ones wouldn't have been as effective. |
| 1/22/13 4:16 PM | |
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Nikem
Member Since: 8/14/11 Posts: 49 |
GunnarWreckedMyAssHAOLE - I think punches to the throat should be allowed, because you can do chokes... |
| 1/22/13 4:17 PM | |
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Bloodstorm
Member Since: 2/13/11 Posts: 850 |
OnlyTheStrongSurvive - This is a kick that looks way worse than it is. The goal of the kick isn't to blow out your opponents knees anyways.Easy for you to say. Your not getting kicked in your knee
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| 1/22/13 4:26 PM | |
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Willin
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Member Since: 4/20/11 Posts: 4040 |
octowussy -Should we allow strikes to the rear base of the skull until we see injuries as well? It's blatantly obvious to anyone with a functioning brain that a knee being hyperextended in the wrong direction is terrible for fighters and isn't worth the career risk.Willin - Comparing the Arona slam to the below-the-knee oblique kick is daft. The slam has counters and many ways to even prevent being put in that situation. Not to mention most humans can't execute it effectively due to the brute power required. Once again muay thai has absolutely zero threat of takedowns so it is a lot easier to prevent and counter obliques. Muay thai guys have their front legs lifted up a LOT. In MMA guys have a lot more weight on their front foot for wrestling offense/defense. It increases the susceptibility to obliques greatly and isn't worth the risk.
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| 1/22/13 4:28 PM | |
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Willin
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Member Since: 4/20/11 Posts: 4041 |
^If a guy wants to maintain range there are plenty of other options including obliques above the knee.
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| 1/22/13 4:32 PM | |
Setree
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Member Since: 10/28/08 Posts: 1100 |
Willin -octowussy -Should we allow strikes to the rear base of the skull until we see injuries as well? It's blatantly obvious to anyone with a functioning brain that a knee being hyperextended in the wrong direction is terrible for fighters and isn't worth the career risk.Willin - Comparing the Arona slam to the below-the-knee oblique kick is daft. The slam has counters and many ways to even prevent being put in that situation. Not to mention most humans can't execute it effectively due to the brute power required. Taking a knee to the head when executing a takedown is also potentially career ending/changing. I've thought maybe banning knees would be the answer. But then it occurs to me that the problem is obviously the take downs! |
| 1/22/13 4:47 PM | |
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Mr Spliff
Member Since: 10/10/06 Posts: 316 |
Yes, more rules is just what we need in modern day mainstream mma....
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| 1/22/13 4:49 PM | |
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OUTCOLD
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Member Since: 6/11/06 Posts: 2511 |
It's the kick of assholes |
| 1/22/13 4:53 PM | |
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Rahjai
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Member Since: 5/5/07 Posts: 1577 |
Kinda agree Always feel like it's a douchebag move to intentionally kick like that. The chance of injury is too high. |
| 1/22/13 4:54 PM | |
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dipsheet
Member Since: 9/1/07 Posts: 6521 |
They make me queasy for some reason. |
| 1/22/13 5:01 PM | |
Master Bater
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Member Since: 1/7/11 Posts: 1786 |
Card -IDOHARM - In all seriousness, it's a cunty kick. Trying to push your opponents knee cap into the back of their leg is just a dick move. What was the one movie with the aliens who walked with their legs in reverse? That shit. this... there are plenty of other techniques to win a fight, this has no other reason that to do serious damage this is a breaking technique from TMA, and IMO has no place in MMA.. |
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