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UnderGround Forum >> Who is Tougher: Mma Fighter or U.S. Marine ?
| 1/25/13 8:11 AM | |
UGCTT_mrzipplokk
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Edited: 01/25/13 8:22 AM Member Since: 7/31/02 Posts: 43587 Mixed Martial Arts LLC, Moderator |
Not sure why you keep pushing your opinion here mikeerobmma ? Just curious, have you had a bad incident with a Marine in the past ? It's obvious you are tough. Don't think anyone is doubting that here. |
| 1/25/13 8:17 AM | |
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mmaguy30
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Kinda apples and oranges... I would offer the following: Inside both groups you will find men and women "tough" as nails, this is a person who weathers all, can put up with terrible physical pain and exhaustion, stands in the face of possible injury, and puts him or herself through a regular cycle of intense physical and mental strain. Anyone who can do that and do it well is a tough person. The marine more often than not does so thousands of miles from home, from family, and is more likely to see and experience death. (yes fighters often have a camp away from family... I think we can agree one is a bit worse than the other) Inside both groups you will find the weak, the hidden cowards, the frauds, the wannabes and the ones who really dont ever risk anything and experience minimal anguish and pain. I would submit that more often than not the periods of intense pain, discomfort, stress, terror, and physical exertion are far longer for a combat Marine than the MMA fighter who suffers a 2 hour practice or a 15 min fight... I would submit that in both groups you have many who's main reason for joining their respective group was to show the world how tough they are... I have seen fighters get to the cage door and completely freeze in panic and fear, I have seen grown men with years of time in service completely freeze in combat, paralyzed with fear... I have experienced both, I can tell you that what I had to do to overcome my fear and terror in combat far exceeded what I had to do to climb into that cage. I can tell you the trauma of what I have seen and done in combat far exceeds what I have seen and experienced in the gym or cage... But I have seen people with virtually zero intestinal fortitude not only survive in both situations, but thrive... So in the end, i cant answer which group is "tougher". I would HAVE to say that each group is "tough" in many similar ways. each group has members not so tough, and each group requires similar traits and attributes to excel or fail. In the end what a MArine is often forced to deal with is far worse in terms of pysical and mental trauma, but I dont think that makes that group tougher. Lastly, I have read several posts discussing who is more dangerous... if 1000 marines of equal or similar weight were matched against 1000 trained MMA fighters in MMA fights, I would bet you would see maybe a 7 out of ten wins go to the MMA fighters, 6 out of ten maaaybe... If 1000 Marines were matched against 1000 MMA fighters in a combat situation, 990 MMA fighters would be gutted and murdered, blown to little bits, 10 captured and interrogated. You might lose a few marines to lucky shots and their own stupidity, but pit a trained small infantry unit against untrained guys with guns on the battlefield, the marines will locate, close with, and destroy the enemy through fire and maneuver and close quarters combat. but in the end, apples and oranges. I remain, Semper Fidelis |
| 1/25/13 8:24 AM | |
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UGCTT_mrzipplokk
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Member Since: 7/31/02 Posts: 43589 Mixed Martial Arts LLC, Moderator |
Interesting mmaguy. Voted up. |
| 1/25/13 9:06 AM | |
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RayRaysFunhouse
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Member Since: 9/12/12 Posts: 848 |
In my humble opinion, if you're not a Marine, or at least someone who has served in a branch of the armed services, you have no fucking right to judge or question the toughness it takes. On that same note, if you're not a mixed martial artist, you have no fucking right to judge or question their toughness either. There is too much speculation on this thread, I'm sure I'm not the only one that sees it. I've been in the Corps for three years, had my ups and downs, and we all go through tough times. I also dabbled in mma for a bit before I enlisted. I had one professional fight. It was a lackluster win against a guy with a losing record (he was like 4-11). As far as mental toughness goes, being in any branch of the armed forces is harder. Physical toughness goes to mma fighters ten out of ten times. They slay themselves for several hours a day, every day, doing much harder things than our everyday PT of running a few miles and doing some pushups and jumping jacks. Like mmaguy said, it's apples to oranges. There is no comparison. 
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| 1/25/13 9:15 AM | |
UGCTT_Zacharinho
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Anyone facing death everyday is tougher. Any MMA fighter would accept that. |
| 1/25/13 9:29 AM | |
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ShawnTheBadger
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Member Since: 1/10/13 Posts: 84 |
88samurai88 - Hard to answer..brock lesnar? Or some 175lb marine? Brock..some marines Are trained killers but with weapons...mma fighters are trained killers with their hands,feet and knees.. Yes you can argue that marines are trained in hand to hand combat but not to the extent of a professional MMA fighter. So i would have to say a MMA fighter is more dangerous. No sir, I respectfully disagree. MMA fighters are not trained in hand-to-hand combat, nor to be "killers". They are trained to engage in a competitive combat sport and there is a huge, monumental difference. To me, hand-to-hand combat means the stakes are potentially life or death. I do not believe that MMA fighters go into the cage truly believing they might die in the effort. My background is nearly three decades in nightclub security. I have seen highly trained BB's fold when it goes from an unarmed physical altercation to weapons being produced or acquired. When the stakes are raised considerably, it's funny what some "badasses" do. In an MMA tag-team match, I will take Anderson Silva or GSP for my partner. In a bar/street fight, I will take Tim Kennedy or Brian Stann. Anderson is obviously "tougher" than Stann in a sporting match, GSP is "tougher" than Kennedy in the cage, with a ref, protective equipment, and rules. But if I am in a bar, and my opponents start producing broken bottles, knives, or firearms, I have no idea what Anderson or GSP will do. I really don't, not a single clue. Unless they have been there, done that, Anderson and GSP themselves do not know what they will do. I know with a certainty that in hand-to-hand combat, life or death stakes, Tim Kennedy or Brian Stann will have my back. So I hope that does absolutely nothing to clear up any confusion over this topic. |
| 1/25/13 9:46 AM | |
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mikerobmma
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UGCTT_mrzipplokk -Oh no, nothing of the sort. I've known a few current and ex-marines, solid dudes for sure. Some are fighters, and good ones at that. No, it's more of the whole perception thing. You see, I spent close to 9 years in the Army, combat engineer, Iraq twice. I was always annoyed with the perception that every Marine is a badass, and every Marine is on the frontline. It's similar to the idea that every person who has deployed is a hero. It's inaccurate to say the least. Just like the Army has Infantry and Spec Ops, as well as other soldiers who end up in the shit, there are plenty of people who deployed, sat on a FOB, and lifted weights the whole time. Nothing against them, but don't think that they were involved in hard combat when they weren't. To make it simple: someone always has it much worse. Also, not every person who served deserves respect. There are plenty of bad people in the military, just like every other walk of life. On a side note, there is a mentality that approaches something like a douchebag jock in certain Marines, and I find it aggravating. The same could be said of certain Airborne soldiers (and similar groups).
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| 1/25/13 10:06 AM | |
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UGCTT_mrzipplokk
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Member Since: 7/31/02 Posts: 43594 Mixed Martial Arts LLC, Moderator |
Ok, I see. I think the 'swagger' is built into the machine. You have to have some cockiness in your confidence. I used to hang out with a bunch of Seals at Little Creek in Va Beach. Talk about cocky. But it's all part of the package. anyway, thanks for the reply. |
| 1/25/13 10:12 AM | |
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mikerobmma
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UGCTT_mrzipplokk -No probs brotha
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| 1/25/13 10:18 AM | |
show no mercy
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i dont know about marines, but my best friend is a green beret, and ive gone to see him at fort bragg a few times, and theres some tough mofos there. some of the coolest guys ever too. aside from enson inoue i dont know too many fighters who come to the ring prepared to die, but i know the armed forces do |
| 1/25/13 10:24 AM | |
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RayRaysFunhouse
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To sum up all of mikerobmma's posts: "I was in the Army so I hate Marines and the Marine mentality." I've honestly never seen a post from you before, I don't dislike you, nor do I hold it against you that you're a current/former Army soldier. My brother is a current soldier, and I honestly applaud you for your service, sincerely. That being said, everything you've said toward Marines has been biased and borderline disrespectful. I'm not the first to point it out. It's like you hold a personal vendetta against another American that serves in the military, and it's leaning toward you feeling that way because they're in a branch that you're not affiliated with. I feel like if the thread title had been "Air Force or mma fighter, which is tougher?" you'd be bashing the Air Force. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm not. On one final note, you said "not everyone that signed up to serve deserves respect." I couldn't possibly disagree more. I know there are horrible people in the military, but even they deserve even the least bit of credit for signing the dotted line.
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| 1/25/13 10:36 AM | |
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mikerobmma
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RayRaysFunhouse - To sum up all of mikerobmma's posts: "I was in the Army so I hate Marines and the Marine mentality."Two of my training partners are Air Force active duty actually. And I hold no grudge against their service branch. Except for the fact that they have good looking women. Which one of them even jokes about himself. But whatever. I summed up my post quite nicely, I thought. If you want to turn what I said on its ear then that's your decision. I compared the perception to other inaccurate perceptions, but whatever. And no, they don't deserve your applause just for signing up. Had you served, you would understand that. And I don't hold it against you for not serving before you decide that's what I'm saying.
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| 1/25/13 10:40 AM | |
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JolietJake
Member Since: 11/17/05 Posts: 2413 |
"There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: Marines and the enemy. Everyone else has a second-hand opinion." Gen. William Thornson, U.S. Army "The safest place in Korea was right behind a platoon of Marines. Lord, how they could fight!" MGen. Frank E. Lowe, USA; Korea, 26 January 1952 "Why in hell can't the Army do it if the Marines can. They are the same kind of men; why can't they be like Marines." Gen. John J. "Black Jack" Pershing, USA; 12 February 1918 "I have just returned from visiting the Marines at the front, and there is not a finer fighting organization in the world!" General of the Armies Douglas MacArthur; Korea, 21 September 1950 Maybe this is why certain Marines have the mentality of douchebag jocks. We're good and we know it. :) With all BS aside, the American Military and everyone serving, regardless of branch, deserves the utmost respect. Not everyone does it and there's a reason for that. Semper Fi Mac Sgt USMC 1988-1993 |
| 1/25/13 10:44 AM | |
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JolietJake
Member Since: 11/17/05 Posts: 2414 |
"We have two companies of Marines running rampant all over the northern half of this island, and three Army regiments pinned down in the southwestern corner, doing nothing. What the hell is going on?" Gen. John W. Vessey Jr., USA, Chairman of the the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the assault on Grenada, 1983 "Lying offshore, ready to act, the presence of ships and Marines sometimes means much more than just having air power or ship's fire, when it comes to deterring a crisis. And the ships and Marines may not have to do anything but lie offshore. It is hard to lie offshore with a C-141 or C-130 full of airborne troops." Gen. Colin Powell, U. S. Army Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff During Operation Desert Storm "You cannot exaggerate about the Marines. They are convinced to the point of arrogance, that they are the most ferocious fighters on earth- and the amusing thing about it is that they are." Father Kevin Keaney 1st Marine Division Chaplain Korean War OK, I'm done now. Carry on. :) |
| 1/25/13 10:48 AM | |
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iamarealamerican
Member Since: 2/23/12 Posts: 423 |
seeing as marines are trained specifically to KILL other human beings using all sorts of tools, i would use my limited brain functioning capabilities to deduce that Marines have the edge here |
| 1/25/13 10:50 AM | |
Wizgub
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Member Since: 3/19/11 Posts: 431 |
Im gonna go ahead and say mma if they are high level (ufc) fighter. I think the VAST VAST majority of ufc fighters would breeze usmc training and be able to serve, very few Usmc's would be able to go into the ufc though. If you were to argue something like the rangers, british royal marine commandos etc then perhaps a diff kettle but i would say for toughness USMC isnt as "tough" as a UFC fighter. You dont need to be tough to catch a bullet. Brave yes and no doubt all USMCs are exceptionally brave but bravery shouldnt be confused with toughness
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| 1/25/13 10:51 AM | |
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theshooter
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MMA fighters are easily tougher than marines on average. Most marines never even see combat. |
| 1/25/13 10:57 AM | |
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Chupacabro
Member Since: 7/9/12 Posts: 14 |
It takes a bit more toughness to walk through the mountains knowing that there's a better than average shot you could step on a mine or be ambushed by suicidal jihadists, than it does to train and fight for money in a structured invironment, with a referee that is trained to intervene and save your life if need be. Ok, it takes a LOT more toughness.
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| 1/25/13 11:14 AM | |
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3 Sided Square
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thebigblastula - I have seen too many Marines/Army guys get KO'd to have an image of them as "tough" in my head.Lol. 
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| 1/25/13 11:15 AM | |
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3 Sided Square
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Member Since: 5/22/12 Posts: 3378 |
Jon Jones .  John Jones . 
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| 1/25/13 11:32 AM | |
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3 Sided Square
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TOAO - Monks are tougher 
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| 1/25/13 11:35 AM | |
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Zed Wayne Zed
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Member Since: 10/20/11 Posts: 1175 |
No one is tougher than Dino Bravo. thread/ |
| 1/25/13 12:17 PM | |
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mmaguy30
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theshooter - MMA fighters are easily tougher than marines on average. Most marines never even see combat. Marine Corps motto: Semper Fidelis Secondary Marine Corps motto; EVERY Marine a Rifleman" While you are correct that MANY (not most) Marines do not engage in active combat in line infantry units, ALL are prepared to. I take issue with your use of the words "easily" and "most" I would also guess that you have done neither. I don't mean this disrespectfully, I simply point out the lack of experience you have that brings you to your opinions... If I am wrong I apologize. |
| 1/25/13 12:27 PM | |
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bknumber1
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mikerobmma -There it is. He feels like a second class citizen because he went in the Army and not the Corps. And I bet a Marine took his girlfriend back in the day too.UGCTT_mrzipplokk -Oh no, nothing of the sort. I've known a few current and ex-marines, solid dudes for sure. Some are fighters, and good ones at that. I keeeeeeeed!
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| 1/25/13 12:28 PM | |
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UGCTT_mrzipplokk
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Member Since: 7/31/02 Posts: 43598 Mixed Martial Arts LLC, Moderator |
theshooter - MMA fighters are easily tougher than marines on average. Most marines never even see combat. Grammar is a not your strongpoint ? |
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