OtherGround Forum >> Obama plans aim to gut 2nd Amendment

Dark Knight - 

jzspanky -  Currently there is nothing to stop a person to who passes a background check from buying ten guns and selling them to people who haven't passed a background check.

Solve it?

Ps how do we deal with cars and are you worried they are going to confiscate your cars? Or do you not register them out of protest?

It is ilegal to sell a gun to someone that cannotlegally own one.

So we should make it double ilegal?

jzspanky -

awilson82 -

jzspanky -

awilson82 -

jzspanky - Currently there is nothing to stop a person to who passes a background check from buying ten guns and selling them to people who haven't passed a background check.

Solve it?

Ps how do we deal with cars and are you worried they are going to confiscate your cars? Or do you not register them out of protest?

Yes there is. If u have reason to believe they couldn't pass a check and u sell it u are breaking the law. Not to mention if u buy a gun with the intent to sell it u need a FFL.

What if you have no reason or intent to do anything. The question was, how are you going to stop a person from buying ten guns and then selling them to people who may or may not pass a background check?

Solve it.

Ps go you register you cars? If you sell them, for the sake of your liability, don't you want the new owner to reregister it in their name?

Very few laws actually stop anything. Murder is illegal yet doesn't seem to slow anyone down. Read my original post on the thread registration is wrong and has huge logistical problems.

Also owning a car isn't a right owning a gun is. Not to mention everyone criticizes gun owners for comparing cars and guns bc it's apples to oranges so if that's the case it works both ways.

So... How would you solve it?

Having a paper trail linking a weapon to a person is a bad thing in your eyes? You do do that with your car though right?

PigWig -

Cookie Monster -

TheCrow13 - If a little inconvenience helps to prevent some people from getting firearms who intend to hurt others, why give a fuck?

For that matter if we ban guns altogether sure it will save someone's life. And if it will save one life...

Yep! Save the lives of criminals.....

419 - "That's not true. There was a hold on the nomination by a republican senator."

There have been plenty of holds on federal judicial nominations, but the parties find a way to work them out.

awilson82 -

jzspanky -

awilson82 -

jzspanky -

awilson82 -

jzspanky - Currently there is nothing to stop a person to who passes a background check from buying ten guns and selling them to people who haven't passed a background check.

Solve it?

Ps how do we deal with cars and are you worried they are going to confiscate your cars? Or do you not register them out of protest?

Yes there is. If u have reason to believe they couldn't pass a check and u sell it u are breaking the law. Not to mention if u buy a gun with the intent to sell it u need a FFL.

What if you have no reason or intent to do anything. The question was, how are you going to stop a person from buying ten guns and then selling them to people who may or may not pass a background check?

Solve it.

Ps go you register you cars? If you sell them, for the sake of your liability, don't you want the new owner to reregister it in their name?

Very few laws actually stop anything. Murder is illegal yet doesn't seem to slow anyone down. Read my original post on the thread registration is wrong and has huge logistical problems.

Also owning a car isn't a right owning a gun is. Not to mention everyone criticizes gun owners for comparing cars and guns bc it's apples to oranges so if that's the case it works both ways.

So... How would you solve it?

Having a paper trail linking a weapon to a person is a bad thing in your eyes? You do do that with your car though right?

Yes it is a negative in my eyes bc registration is the first step towards confiscation and if we had a truly tyrannical government I don't want them to know who has weapons. I also believe in privacy and would like to avoid incidents like in NU where a paper published the addresses of gun owners which resulted in breakins and put families in danger.

There are already ways to stop it. For one if u buy multiple pistols in the same week there is a form the dealer has to fill out and the ATF is notified. You can also make the penalties stiffer for straw purchases but ultimately it's not really preventable. How do u prevent rape? how do u prevent embezzlement? Murder? Arson?

Cars and guns are apples to oranges and again owning a car is not a right and u can own a car and even drive it on your property or off of public roads or land without it being registered. So that analogy would only really work with weapons u want to carry into public being registered.

Tidbits - waaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!

Who fucking cares? Your rights are gone and your guns did nothing to stop it. Where were you gun owners when the 4th Amendment was gutted? Where were you when NDAA was signed? When the FISA court was formed and began making secret interpretations of laws? When the Patriot Act was passed? When money was determined to be free speech? When your right to assemble was curtailed? Where? At home in your basements stroking your guns and crying about the scary brown man.

Get over it.

419 - "The GOP doesn't want a head to the ATF."

Maybe they'd prefer a different nominee. Either way, that doesn't prevent a bi-partisan effort to hire more agents.

awilson82 - "So your solution is that it's not preventable. What if guns were registered and if someone was found, a criminal, with an unregistered gun and was apprehended before a murder... do you feel the lives saved were worth it? Or what if they found a registered gun at a crime scene and were able to track down the perpetrator before they could do more crime?

So you do register your car though. In doing so you give up a lot of info right? Do you fear they are going to confiscate your cars? "

If he is a criminal and is apprehended before a murder then it wouldn't matter if his gun was registered or not. Since he is a criminal and thus prohibited from having a weapon the registry wouldn't matter.

Yes I register my cars bc I'm forced to I'd I want to use them on public roads. But again that analogy doesn't properly carry over in regards to guns. No I don't have a fear they will confiscate cars no one has an agenda to and it would never happen.

The only way I would be ok with a registry would be if they included in the law that it would be a federal crime to confiscate any weapons other than those from people who commit a felony.

jzspanky -

419 - "The GOP doesn't want a head to the ATF."

Maybe they'd prefer a different nominee. Either way, that doesn't prevent a bi-partisan effort to hire more agents.

They don't want the department to exist. They have worked hard to make the department impotent.

awilson82 - 

jzspanky -

419 - "The GOP doesn't want a head to the ATF."

Maybe they'd prefer a different nominee. Either way, that doesn't prevent a bi-partisan effort to hire more agents.

They don't want the department to exist. They have worked hard to make the department impotent.

While not a republican I'm a gun supporter obviously and I wish the ATF was ran much more effectively. I wish their budget was higher as well so they could hire more people so it didn't take them 9 months to process forms and so they could enforce current laws.

New Leaf 1.0 -

awilson82 - 

jzspanky -

419 - "The GOP doesn't want a head to the ATF."

Maybe they'd prefer a different nominee. Either way, that doesn't prevent a bi-partisan effort to hire more agents.

They don't want the department to exist. They have worked hard to make the department impotent.

While not a republican I'm a gun supporter obviously and I wish the ATF was ran much more effectively. I wish their budget was higher as well so they could hire more people so it didn't take them 9 months to process forms and so they could enforce current laws.

I wish it was ended. It serves no useful purpose.

awilson82 - 

Tidbits - waaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!

Who fucking cares? Your rights are gone and your guns did nothing to stop it. Where were you gun owners when the 4th Amendment was gutted? Where were you when NDAA was signed? When the FISA court was formed and began making secret interpretations of laws? When the Patriot Act was passed? When money was determined to be free speech? When your right to assemble was curtailed? Where? At home in your basements stroking your guns and crying about the scary brown man.

Get over it.

Obviously many Americans care.

All those things u mentioned are either not known by most citizens or don't affect them in noticeable ways in their day to day lives. Whereas gun legislation would. Not to mention many gun rights advocates opposed those things u mentioned as well.

Rockstar44 - The 2nd Amendment was set in December 15, 1791.. Our lives have changed since 1791. Guns our way out of control..

we as a country need to regulate and ban assault rifles

assault rifles are already regulated and essentially banned for use by the general public.  I'm not sure why you would want to pass another law banning something that is already banned.   Does that serve any purpose other than political theater and the illusion that we are doing something?

"Assault rifles are already essentially banned."

"Huh?  Well....then let's ban them again!!!!!"

WTF?

Rockstar44 - The 2nd Amendment was set in December 15, 1791.. Our lives have changed since 1791. Guns our way out of control..

we as a country need to regulate and ban assault rifles

Tidbits -

awilson82 - 

Tidbits - waaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!

Who fucking cares? Your rights are gone and your guns did nothing to stop it. Where were you gun owners when the 4th Amendment was gutted? Where were you when NDAA was signed? When the FISA court was formed and began making secret interpretations of laws? When the Patriot Act was passed? When money was determined to be free speech? When your right to assemble was curtailed? Where? At home in your basements stroking your guns and crying about the scary brown man.

Get over it.

Obviously many Americans care.

All those things u mentioned are either not known by most citizens or don't affect them in noticeable ways in their day to day lives. Whereas gun legislation would. Not to mention many gun rights advocates opposed those things u mentioned as well.

Obviously those "many Americans" are FUCKING STUIPID. The 2nd Amendment and your right to own guns means nothing without the other rights. The 2nd Amendment was meant to be the FIRST resort when rights are being taken away, NOT the last.

It is too fucking late. Your guns WILL be taken, and NO ONE will do DICK except bitch moan and cry. Will it happen tomorrow? or next week? or even next year? Most likely not, but it WILL happen. All of the other rights that would have prevented it, the ones that the gun nuts consider secondary, are the ones that are already gone and allowed it to happen.