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liquidrob Member Since: 9/9/02 Posts: 9129	If his MMA game keeps coming along, watch out, hopefully will be in the next Bellator LW tourney Cosmo Alexander http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVNmFsLhwp8 You have ignored this user.

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whoabro Member Since: 1/22/07 Posts: 9012	Reem's striking in mma is pretty awful imo from a technical perspective-- very stiff, no head movement, poor footwork, relies on his newfound size. And anyone who knows anything knows that his gp win had a LOT to do w injured and old opponents You have ignored this user.

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MdGeist Member Since: 6/10/12 Posts: 1406	liquidrob - Mousasi still never dropped standing or outstruck Came here to post this. I dare to say that he has the best pure boxing skill in all of MMA You have ignored this user.

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Wasa-B 42 Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 42994	MdGeist - liquidrob - Mousasi still never dropped standing or outstruck Came here to post this. I dare to say that he has the best pure boxing skill in all of MMA Maybe on pure/orthodox technique but def not in result/effectiveness. Can you imagine Andy not finishing Jardine? You have ignored this user.

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meth wizard 4 Member Since: 9/28/12 Posts: 64	Reem fought Spong in the GP. He wasn't injured or old. You have ignored this user.

1/27/13 5:23 PM

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liquidrob - Mousasi still never dropped standing or outstruck

Came here to post this.

I dare to say that he has the best pure boxing skill in all of MMA

Maybe on pure/orthodox technique but def not in result/effectiveness.

Can you imagine Andy not finishing Jardine?

Awww, come on bro. Mousasi could have finished Jardine at any point in that match, his head just wasn't in that fight.

Even Anderson slacked off against Leites and Maia when he was having motivation issues. Both of them are so good that they can hold back and still cruise through fights without even using half of their ability.

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whoabro - Reem's striking in mma is pretty awful imo from a technical perspective-- very stiff, no head movement, poor footwork, relies on his newfound size. And anyone who knows anything knows that his gp win had a LOT to do w injured and old opponents

While i would agree Overeem is not that technical and relies too much on his size, i do think he doesnt get enough credit for his K-1 career

I can buy that he got the lucky draw in the GP. But he also beat Aerts in a super fight, a few months before that Aerts had just beaten Semmy Schilt who was almost invincible at the time. Then of course he went 1-1 against Badr Hari and lost a close decision to Remy Bonjasky. At worst one can say he was a top K-1 fighter but not the best K-1 fighter

And i dont see why he gets singled out for being lucky in the GP. Ernesto Hoost won a GP after being KTFO in the opening round, then he gets the alternate spot and fights Ray Sefo in the semis who injures his shin early in a freak accident. That leaves Hoost in the finale after a combined 5 minutes total in the ring against Lebanner who had just finished a 3 round war against Mark Hunt

Or how about Bonjasky who won a GP by beating Cyril Abidi and Musashi.

Sorry orcus for thread highjack lol

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orcus Member Since: 8/1/03 Posts: 75823	MdGeist - liquidrob - Mousasi still never dropped standing or outstruck Came here to post this. I dare to say that he has the best pure boxing skill in all of MMA What are his best standup displays in MMA, and who were the best strikers he stood with in MMA? You have ignored this user.

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orcus -
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liquidrob - Mousasi still never dropped standing or outstruck

Came here to post this.

I dare to say that he has the best pure boxing skill in all of MMA

What are his best standup displays in MMA, and who were the best strikers he stood with in MMA?

Well he beat the shit out of Mushasi and Kyotaro in straight K-1 matches so his standup has to be pretty good right?

1/27/13 6:00 PM

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liquidrob - Mousasi still never dropped standing or outstruck

Came here to post this.

I dare to say that he has the best pure boxing skill in all of MMA

What are his best standup displays in MMA, and who were the best strikers he stood with in MMA?

You already know the answer to this question. I'm sure that you've googled his record on numerous occasions.

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JCON 7 Member Since: 1/19/13 Posts: 18	Off top of my head - obviously sponge and manhoef. I personally like Manuwa, swanson, njokuani, Pettis You have ignored this user.

1/27/13 7:06 PM

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lol @ Cruz being elite striker and OP questioning his initial instincts to include the only kickboxing champion of the world aka elite striker on his list of elite strikers. that said there are so many these days. of course there will always be better or worse even among the elite but i digress.

Aldo
Anderson
Reem
JDS
Jones
Barboza
Nam Phan
Pettis
Nick
Sponge
many more i dont feel like taking the time to remember

good post OP

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RockyBullwinkle -
orcus -
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liquidrob - Mousasi still never dropped standing or outstruck

Came here to post this.

I dare to say that he has the best pure boxing skill in all of MMA

What are his best standup displays in MMA, and who were the best strikers he stood with in MMA?

Well he beat the shit out of Mushasi and Kyotaro in straight K-1 matches so his standup has to be pretty good right?

In MMA...

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Wasa-B 42 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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MdGeist -
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liquidrob - Mousasi still never dropped standing or outstruck

Came here to post this.

I dare to say that he has the best pure boxing skill in all of MMA

What are his best standup displays in MMA, and who were the best strikers he stood with in MMA?

You already know the answer to this question. I'm sure that you've googled his record on numerous occasions.

Just begs the question....if you are to be considered an elite anything in MMA, you have to justify it with the results.

Moussasi is undoubtedly, in technique one of the best strikers in MMA but he still doesnt have the elite wins to justify it.

There is a diff to having world class technique and world class victories in comp to back it up. I think it will come but at this point, i dont think he has.

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HenryO Member Since: 8/1/12 Posts: 1800	LOL that is just terrible from Bader, running straight at MAchida was really going to work You have ignored this user.

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Wasa-B 42 Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 43018	Jimmy Rustler - anderson aldo arlovski Arlovski has good technique but we know that his chin isnt good but that's more a physical disadvantage but his defense isnt that good either and neither is his composure. He lost to Fedor and Timmeh in the rematch or rubber because he got over excited. You have ignored this user.

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D241 Member Since: 11/20/09 Posts: 13211	There's absolutely no point in arguing with the OP if you try to give any credit to the STRIKING ONLY LEAGUE K1 fighters http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&thread=1831888 http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&thread=657072 Anderson Overeem Pettis Manhoef You have ignored this user.

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AlexanderTheGOAT 72 Member Since: 1/28/11 Posts: 13554	No one else should be mentioned with those 3 You have ignored this user.

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Pro Ice 1010 Member Since: 12/6/09 Posts: 8184	Anderson Pettis Aldo 2nd tier Machida - Not as creative as above - more predictable No disrespect at all just my opinion Barboza - Soon elite tier imo Manhoef - Technique + power - best left hook in the sport imo Overeem - Power + technique You have ignored this user.

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From another thread:

Jack Slack

mma shill - First let me say, I love your articles and I hope you keep them coming. Since reading your articles, I've realized that I don't have a very good understanding of striking at all in mma. I thought the Diaz bros and BJ Penn were some of the best strikers in mma until you pointed out many of their flaws. Now it seems like every mma fighter is a bad striker that doesn't even understand the basics. I'm wondering who you think are the top five best strikers in mma and why?

I'm always reluctant to name the top strikers in MMA because everyone makes mistakes and errors. That's not just in MMA but in the highest levels of professional boxing and bjj. Nobody achieves perfection.

It's impossible to stay disciplined all the time, the greats are the ones who can stay discplined the longest. I consider Manny Pacquiao one of the most technically disciplined boxers of all time - in, moves his head, exits on an angle. But just the other day Marquez was able to catch him getting wild.

In truth there is a great deal of underemphasis on angling, handfighting and the actual science of striking in a lot of top level camps even in boxing and kickboxing. Fighting tends to be approached in a combinations and cover up way, with an emphasis on power and conditioning rather than science.

I suppose the criteria for best MMA striker from a scientific standpoint would be based in discipline and versatility. Guys who can adapt their style against anyone: like AS, GSP, Fedor when he was fighting. There's very few guys who can adapt their striking style to the opponent.

The next tier down would be guys who have a pretty samey striking game in every fight but still execute it flawlessly - like JDS, Aldo etc.

Then there's the guys who do the same thing in every fight but have had their flaws exposed already but can beat MOST guys with their A game like Belfort, Penn the Diaz brothers.

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kingkoopa Member Since: 1/1/12 Posts: 1692	Machida, Cruz and Overeem r right below the guys you named originally. I'd put barbosa at the top too You have ignored this user.

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DamnSevern 975 Member Since: 9/29/09 Posts: 23145	Pro Ice - Anderson Pettis Aldo 2nd tier Machida - Not as creative as above - more predictable No disrespect at all just my opinion Barboza - Soon elite tier imo Manhoef - Technique + power - best left hook in the sport imo Overeem - Power + technique Machida is more creative than Aldo You have ignored this user.

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