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UGCTT_zackthewop - 

Lazer MMA -

Jason - 

LETMEBANGBRO - He's ducking Weidman !! Weidman is a massive draw and has crushed all the top names at 185 !!

Is massive no a synonym for "awful"

Then Jason, Rockhold with 20K less twitter followers must be a 'really' "awful" draw?

The draw has nothing to do with the decision, it's got to be close to even inbetween the two.

Hell it seems to make more sense to wait for Lombard V okami if you were wanting the biggest draw. Lombard could be promoted using his brutal KO's and the man looks the part! I think he'd draw more than either.

Got to wonder about Cung's draw (movie star and all).
Hell it's less of a joke than JBJ Vs Sonnen (by a tad lol).
Par for the course here in the MMAE

It's the fact that a fight with Rockhold has more marketability than a fight with weidman. Rockhold has also fought and beat better fighters.

Champion vs champion will sell even if the people don't know who the champion is that well.

Champion vs weidman won't sell that well because the only top guy weidman beat (besides Maia which didn't help his stock too much) wasn't seen by many people because it was on fuel.

A fact hum, how is that proven with 20K less twitter followers and fighting in SF rather than the UFC? you're splitting hairs! It can't be a blow out in marketability inbetween the the two IMO. No way is it enough to lose the credibility of not fighting the true #2.

gorgesjorj - Weidman is undefeated, 5-0 as a UFC mw, with three finishes. Has a top 5 win over Munoz (an event he main evented, btw), two bonuses and has been on Versus (now NBC Sports), Spike, Fuel and big FOX. How is he unknown or undeserving of a title shot.

Le is a stud and has some nice accomplishments at Strikeforce and a respectable 2-1 record in the UFC. But I just don't see how that resume has people running to pay $54.99 while they wouldn't think of parting with their cash for Weidman.

Weidman is the #1 contender.

Rockhold and Belfort makes sense for the next guy in line after that. Rockhold wants it, Dana wants it, let's hope Belfort does.

And looking further, Lombard seems to have gained some traction with his last performance in Australia.

Lastly, if Hendo and Hashad want to drop (if they win their next fights at lhw), I could dig that too. But now we're way ahead of ourselves.

Forget the GSP-Silva fight, GSP doesn't want it. Forget the Silva-Jones fight, Silva doesn't want it.

GG
@mmajunkiegeorge

Weidman is not a draw regardless.  The every day person hasnt even seen Weidman fight.

Belfort does not make sense considering he was absolutely WAXED recently.

Rockhold does for champion/champion.

Rashad would be a fight that would draw as well as Bisping would and I'm not against an immediate title fight if he drops.  But I'd rather see Hendo fight Jones.

Forssberg - AS is not ducking anyone. It's a negotiating ploy that AS and Soares repeat over and over again before agreeing to a fight. They know if Dana wants a fight bad enough that he will give in.

UGCTT_zackthewop -

Anderson Ducking Weidman - Cung is not a draw. Is he a bigger name than Weidman? Yes, but any marginal advantage he has in name value is outweighed by the fact that its a matchup that makes no sense. Is cung in the top 20? It would not be a bigger ppv than an undefeated prospect who has the style to beat Anderson.

Cung beat ace

Frankin is much better than anyone weidman has beat.

gorgesjorj - Weidman is undefeated, 5-0 as a UFC mw, with three finishes. Has a top 5 win over Munoz (an event he main evented, btw), two bonuses and has been on Versus (now NBC Sports), Spike, Fuel and big FOX. How is he unknown or undeserving of a title shot.

Le is a stud and has some nice accomplishments at Strikeforce and a respectable 2-1 record in the UFC. But I just don't see how that resume has people running to pay $54.99 while they wouldn't think of parting with their cash for Weidman.

Weidman is the #1 contender.

Rockhold and Belfort makes sense for the next guy in line after that. Rockhold wants it, Dana wants it, let's hope Belfort does.

And looking further, Lombard seems to have gained some traction with his last performance in Australia.

Lastly, if Hendo and Hashad want to drop (if they win their next fights at lhw), I could dig that too. But now we're way ahead of ourselves.

Forget the GSP-Silva fight, GSP doesn't want it. Forget the Silva-Jones fight, Silva doesn't want it.

GG
@mmajunkiegeorge

gorgesjorj - There's got to be a point though where being a draw doesn't factor in. I don't remember Leites, Cote and Maia being huge draws.

Otherwise, let's give Sonnen a shot again.

I'm ok with Hashad getting the immediate too.

And I don't worry about draws as much cause I don't get a cut of the ppvs. I'm just a fan who wants to see champions defend against the best in their divisions.

GG
@mmajunkiegeorge

PS -- Belfort did get waxed, but he's come back nicely (throw out the Jones fight) since then. And others are dropping fights too so a win over Rockhold has to have him back in the mix.

Remember what Anderson did when they MADE him fight Maia?  I may be the only one who laughed his ass off at how badly Maia got tooled, but you're not gonna see Dana go through that again.

The premise of the thread was to simply outlay the fact that Anderson is worrying about money.  Not #1 contenders.

After Rockhold, I'd be ok with Vitor being in line again.  Clearly we can't name people we'd LIKE to see.

SOO72 - It's always just a ploy for leverage, or a troll. Meanwhile his last fight was Bonnar after having to be dragged kicking and screaming for over a year to rematch Sonnen.

He wouldnt ever turn down a fight in Brazil

The Mouth - 

gorgesjorj - Weidman is undefeated, 5-0 as a UFC mw, with three finishes. Has a top 5 win over Munoz (an event he main evented, btw), two bonuses and has been on Versus (now NBC Sports), Spike, Fuel and big FOX. How is he unknown or undeserving of a title shot.

Le is a stud and has some nice accomplishments at Strikeforce and a respectable 2-1 record in the UFC. But I just don't see how that resume has people running to pay $54.99 while they wouldn't think of parting with their cash for Weidman.

Weidman is the #1 contender.

Rockhold and Belfort makes sense for the next guy in line after that. Rockhold wants it, Dana wants it, let's hope Belfort does.

And looking further, Lombard seems to have gained some traction with his last performance in Australia.

Lastly, if Hendo and Hashad want to drop (if they win their next fights at lhw), I could dig that too. But now we're way ahead of ourselves.

Forget the GSP-Silva fight, GSP doesn't want it. Forget the Silva-Jones fight, Silva doesn't want it.

GG
@mmajunkiegeorge

Weidman is not a draw regardless.  The every day person hasnt even seen Weidman fight.

 

Belfort does not make sense considering he was absolutely WAXED recently.

 

Rockhold does for champion/champion.

 

Rashad would be a fight that would draw as well as Bisping would and I'm not against an immediate title fight if he drops.  But I'd rather see Hendo fight Jones.

 

 

Lazer MMA - 

The Mouth - 

gorgesjorj - Weidman is undefeated, 5-0 as a UFC mw, with three finishes. Has a top 5 win over Munoz (an event he main evented, btw), two bonuses and has been on Versus (now NBC Sports), Spike, Fuel and big FOX. How is he unknown or undeserving of a title shot.

Le is a stud and has some nice accomplishments at Strikeforce and a respectable 2-1 record in the UFC. But I just don't see how that resume has people running to pay $54.99 while they wouldn't think of parting with their cash for Weidman.

Weidman is the #1 contender.

Rockhold and Belfort makes sense for the next guy in line after that. Rockhold wants it, Dana wants it, let's hope Belfort does.

And looking further, Lombard seems to have gained some traction with his last performance in Australia.

Lastly, if Hendo and Hashad want to drop (if they win their next fights at lhw), I could dig that too. But now we're way ahead of ourselves.

Forget the GSP-Silva fight, GSP doesn't want it. Forget the Silva-Jones fight, Silva doesn't want it.

GG
@mmajunkiegeorge

Weidman is not a draw regardless.  The every day person hasnt even seen Weidman fight.

 

Belfort does not make sense considering he was absolutely WAXED recently.

 

Rockhold does for champion/champion.

 

Rashad would be a fight that would draw as well as Bisping would and I'm not against an immediate title fight if he drops.  But I'd rather see Hendo fight Jones.

 

 

Amazing OP how you ignore "Rockhold with 20K less twitter followers must be a 'really' "awful" draw?

The draw has nothing to do with the decision, it's got to be close to even inbetween the two."

As as well as the substantiating post after being questioned, "as it stands Weidman beat a #3 & #6 in the UFC. A fool can see there is more credibility in fighting him Vs rockhold. The draw of each fighter is about =, there is nothing to talk about and if there is you have not touched on it"

Instead you respond as such to a MMAjunkie Radio Host. Joke, like your opening argument OP in light of the above.

Twitter followers can be purchased and do not convert into PPV sales.  The mere fact you brought that up is proof of your mental midgetry and I was doing you a favor by ignoring it.

You're trying to get me to bite on your poorly executed troll job. 

Not happening.

DiSmAnTLeR - 

GableGrip - It's because Le is the easier fight.

His manager says big name and then says rockhold is a option and Weidman is not. Since when is rockhold a bigger name? CW has fought in bigger shows and beat more top knotch guys.

Andy is scared. So all you AS lovers need to get real and understand that he wants to pad his record and title defenses.

He won't fight CW or Lombard , he is goin to move to LH once bones is gone to avoid that mess. He wants no piece of jones either and will stay at MW fighting the easier comp till bones is gone.

Anderson is the greatest chump of all time

They should ban you for being a Moran .

Look at the list of guys Anderson has beaten, compare it to Weidman's list and see who looks like a chump.

The Mouth - 

Lazer MMA - 

The Mouth - 

gorgesjorj - Weidman is undefeated, 5-0 as a UFC mw, with three finishes. Has a top 5 win over Munoz (an event he main evented, btw), two bonuses and has been on Versus (now NBC Sports), Spike, Fuel and big FOX. How is he unknown or undeserving of a title shot.

Le is a stud and has some nice accomplishments at Strikeforce and a respectable 2-1 record in the UFC. But I just don't see how that resume has people running to pay $54.99 while they wouldn't think of parting with their cash for Weidman.

Weidman is the #1 contender.

Rockhold and Belfort makes sense for the next guy in line after that. Rockhold wants it, Dana wants it, let's hope Belfort does.

And looking further, Lombard seems to have gained some traction with his last performance in Australia.

Lastly, if Hendo and Hashad want to drop (if they win their next fights at lhw), I could dig that too. But now we're way ahead of ourselves.

Forget the GSP-Silva fight, GSP doesn't want it. Forget the Silva-Jones fight, Silva doesn't want it.

GG
@mmajunkiegeorge

Weidman is not a draw regardless.  The every day person hasnt even seen Weidman fight.

 

Belfort does not make sense considering he was absolutely WAXED recently.

 

Rockhold does for champion/champion.

 

Rashad would be a fight that would draw as well as Bisping would and I'm not against an immediate title fight if he drops.  But I'd rather see Hendo fight Jones.

 

 

Amazing OP how you ignore "Rockhold with 20K less twitter followers must be a 'really' "awful" draw?

The draw has nothing to do with the decision, it's got to be close to even inbetween the two."

As as well as the substantiating post after being questioned, "as it stands Weidman beat a #3 & #6 in the UFC. A fool can see there is more credibility in fighting him Vs rockhold. The draw of each fighter is about =, there is nothing to talk about and if there is you have not touched on it"

Instead you respond as such to a MMAjunkie Radio Host. Joke, like your opening argument OP in light of the above.

Twitter followers can be purchased and do not convert into PPV sales.  The mere fact you brought that up is proof of your mental midgetry and I was doing you a favor by ignoring it.

 

You're trying to get me to bite on your poorly executed troll job. 

 

Not happening.

Lazer MMA - 

The Mouth - 

Lazer MMA - 

The Mouth - 

gorgesjorj - Weidman is undefeated, 5-0 as a UFC mw, with three finishes. Has a top 5 win over Munoz (an event he main evented, btw), two bonuses and has been on Versus (now NBC Sports), Spike, Fuel and big FOX. How is he unknown or undeserving of a title shot.

Le is a stud and has some nice accomplishments at Strikeforce and a respectable 2-1 record in the UFC. But I just don't see how that resume has people running to pay $54.99 while they wouldn't think of parting with their cash for Weidman.

Weidman is the #1 contender.

Rockhold and Belfort makes sense for the next guy in line after that. Rockhold wants it, Dana wants it, let's hope Belfort does.

And looking further, Lombard seems to have gained some traction with his last performance in Australia.

Lastly, if Hendo and Hashad want to drop (if they win their next fights at lhw), I could dig that too. But now we're way ahead of ourselves.

Forget the GSP-Silva fight, GSP doesn't want it. Forget the Silva-Jones fight, Silva doesn't want it.

GG
@mmajunkiegeorge

Weidman is not a draw regardless.  The every day person hasnt even seen Weidman fight.

 

Belfort does not make sense considering he was absolutely WAXED recently.

 

Rockhold does for champion/champion.

 

Rashad would be a fight that would draw as well as Bisping would and I'm not against an immediate title fight if he drops.  But I'd rather see Hendo fight Jones.

 

 

Amazing OP how you ignore "Rockhold with 20K less twitter followers must be a 'really' "awful" draw?

The draw has nothing to do with the decision, it's got to be close to even inbetween the two."

As as well as the substantiating post after being questioned, "as it stands Weidman beat a #3 & #6 in the UFC. A fool can see there is more credibility in fighting him Vs rockhold. The draw of each fighter is about =, there is nothing to talk about and if there is you have not touched on it"

Instead you respond as such to a MMAjunkie Radio Host. Joke, like your opening argument OP in light of the above.

Twitter followers can be purchased and do not convert into PPV sales.  The mere fact you brought that up is proof of your mental midgetry and I was doing you a favor by ignoring it.

 

You're trying to get me to bite on your poorly executed troll job. 

 

Not happening.

Sure every fighter buys their twitter followers. Surely AS bought his too, LOL. Rockhold just didn't want to spend the $$$, LMFAO twit.

The "troll" is not acknowledging to the all the above and that SF Rockhold is not a much bigger draw then Weidman.

Good night Op

Clearly you're forgetting the contests the UFC used to have...

Try again.

if money is all anderson cares about then he will sign jones fight tomorrow

fight will be massive

ekiben - i am not commenting on who anderson silva should fight, but only in terms of drawing power. rockhold's last headliner (vs kennedy) drew 420,000 average, while ufc on fuel 4 (munoz v weidman) drew 211,000 average. obviously they are different organizations and promotions, but i could see how soares argues double the viewers in a headlining event equals bigger draw, as opposed to 20K more twitter followers. also there is the question of what is more known weidman or strikeforce. if strikeforce is know more than weidman than strikeforce champion rockhold has more legs than chris weidman. whether that is a fair way to determine a challenger is a different story, but in terms of business sense i understand the argument.

More concise than I.

Lazer MMA - 
Showtime Vs Fuel, that's fair! DERP

What about UFC on Fox?

Anderson Ducking Weidman - Cung is not a draw. Is he a bigger name than Weidman? Yes, but any marginal advantage he has in name value is outweighed by the fact that its a matchup that makes no sense. Is cung in the top 20? It would not be a bigger ppv than an undefeated prospect who has the style to beat Anderson.

Anderson Ducking Weidman -

UGCTT_zackthewop -

Anderson Ducking Weidman - Cung is not a draw. Is he a bigger name than Weidman? Yes, but any marginal advantage he has in name value is outweighed by the fact that its a matchup that makes no sense. Is cung in the top 20? It would not be a bigger ppv than an undefeated prospect who has the style to beat Anderson.

Cung beat ace

Frankin is much better than anyone weidman has beat.

Lol