UnderGround Forum >> Elite tier of strikers in MMA?

BECAUSE I WATCHED THE FIGHT-Not just 4 gifs of it. Something you really should do if you plan on proudly stating that you think Werdum won the fight.

You're doing a disservice to yourself, and any credability you may still have on the UG by talking about it.

And I've already conceded about how to fit Overeem into this thread he needs more examples/accomplishments, which is why I didn't provide them.

I just think it's LAUGHABLE that you keep harping on one obviously bad fight. Add the fact that you are saying that it is in the opinion of orcus that Werdum won that fight, you're only making a fool of yourself. You don't have to concede anything on Alistair by saying he won a horrible looking fight, but as I and others have called you out numerous times in the past on these boards, YOU CANNOT ADMIT when you are wrong. 

Werdum won vs Overeem in Strikeforce-orcus

That's right, you're really saying that. You're either trying to troll me, or you're making yourself look incredibly stupid by breaking down a 15 minute fight by 1 minute of the fight and using gifs of that 1 minute.

orcus, on the next UFC, how are you going to determine the main event? By watching highlight gifs and going to fightmetrix, or will you ACTUALLY WATCH THE FIGHT?

Look at how stubborn you are. You have NOTHING to lose by admitting that Overeem beat Werdum. I've already stated that the conditions of this thread, AO isn't there yet. So why are you still trying to say that Werdum won?  IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE THAT STUBBORN OR IGNORNAT. Which one?

I took something away from you in our debate on Pettis vs wrestlers. I would think you make post to do just that.

But now you go and start acting like the orcus that everyone hates, and I hate it too. You're better than this.

You really mean to tell me you really think you make a strong argument for a fight by posting 4 gifs of it and resorting to fightmetric? 

I mean if that's really how you feel, then I would like some info from you. Please tell me how 4 gifs of a fight is enough to justify how you view who should've won. I'm saying, watch the fight. I provided links to it, it's right there.

But you keep harping on 4 gifs. Why should your argument be strong based on 4 gifs over footage of the actual fight?

"Something you really should do if you plan on proudly stating that you think Werdum won the fight."/span>

Wow, are you drunk again or something? "Proudly stating"? What I actually said is that I saw the fight once, live, and if I remember right, I thought Werdum won but that Alistair would certainly get the decision. I also said I thought a draw would be fine although imo both guys lost. 

You're being a bit of a bitch (as usual) by acting like I'm trumpeting from the rooftops that Werdum kicked Alistair's ass. You have two posts in a row whining about it, to go with the other million you've made in this thread about it. Get over it.

Please tell me how 4 gifs of a fight is enough to justify how you view who should've won. I'm saying, watch the fight. I provided links to it, it's right there.

But you keep harping on 4 gifs. Why should your argument be strong based on 4 gifs over footage of the actual fight?

Look at how stubborn you are. You have NOTHING to lose by admitting that Overeem beat Werdum. I've already stated that the conditions of this thread, AO isn't there yet. So why are you still trying to say that Werdum won?  IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE THAT STUBBORN OR IGNORNAT. Which one?

ouch, you called me a bitch. That hurts coming from such a tough trained guy like yourself.

"So why are you still trying to say that Werdum won?  IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE THAT STUBBORN OR IGNORNAT. Which one?"

Anything but watching the fight huh.

Your resorting to anything other than watching the fight says enough. It's got to suck to be you.

While I think Overeem won the fight, it was by no means dominant.  Also, I don't think Werdum got dropped legitimately.  I'm 90% sure he was faking being hurt (ala Fedor fight) so he could lure Overeem into his guard.

Yeah --  you see, I've seen the fight; and since I neither enjoyed it, nor care two fucks about who "should" have won, and since those (professionally tallied by guys watching the tape, often in slow-mo or frame-by-frame) stats confirm my foggy memory of the fight in any case, I have exactly zero interest in seeing it again.

It's actually pretty great to be me. 

You're very sore when someone proves you wrong. It's not a good personality trait.

Sorry, what did you prove me wrong about?

Exactly.

Shroom - Jake Shields

Demian Maia

Brock Lesnar

voted up

HenryO - LOL that is just terrible from Bader, running straight at MAchida was really going to work

Spong? Overeem? Mousasi? Hunt?

orcus - 

"Is there anything Overeem can do to change your mind since he hasn't done anything in your eyes thus far?"

To change my mind that Overeem is on the level of the guys in the OP, all Overeem has to do is display their level of brilliance in the cage. 

"1 bad fight vs his last 10 Mma and kickboxing fights.."

If you look at his last 10 MMA fights you see him taking a lot of guys down and fighting them there rather than standing. In fact you've basically got Duffee, Fujita, and Brock, all three guys that Overeem brute forced rather than displayed technical brilliance against.

Honestly even if you look at his K-1 fights, do you see brilliance? Or do you see a roided up monster powering through guys for the most part? I've only seen a few of them (including a couple losses).

The thread is really about that kind of brilliance, not just getting lots of KOs. Like I would not have put a prime Wand in the conversation, for example, despite his inarguable effectiveness.

Wasa-B -

This one sequence doesnt do it justice because Machida set up this punch from the beginning of the fight with is "elusiveness" and Bader got impatient and Machida completely capitalized:

 

Proteus The Invincible - 

orcus - 

"Is there anything Overeem can do to change your mind since he hasn't done anything in your eyes thus far?"

To change my mind that Overeem is on the level of the guys in the OP, all Overeem has to do is display their level of brilliance in the cage. 

"1 bad fight vs his last 10 Mma and kickboxing fights.."

If you look at his last 10 MMA fights you see him taking a lot of guys down and fighting them there rather than standing. In fact you've basically got Duffee, Fujita, and Brock, all three guys that Overeem brute forced rather than displayed technical brilliance against.

Honestly even if you look at his K-1 fights, do you see brilliance? Or do you see a roided up monster powering through guys for the most part? I've only seen a few of them (including a couple losses).

The thread is really about that kind of brilliance, not just getting lots of KOs. Like I would not have put a prime Wand in the conversation, for example, despite his inarguable effectiveness.

Don't pretend that it doesn't take a very large amount of skill to apply brute force and power in order to beat guys like Brock, Spong, Teixeira and Duffee. If you do believe that it requires little skill, then you must also believe that Mariusz Pudzianowski would have the same success that Overeem did against those four men, or at least close to it.

Wasa-B - Spong is also a small HW that should probably be fighting and could prob make LHW.

I believe he made his MMA debut at LHW a couple months ago

"Reem is obviously no bum but not exactly a smooth technician. There is nothing wrong with using brute force, the #1 thing is to get the job done by any means necessary but i would agree with Orcus in that Reem doesnt really show the kind of "brilliance" that Andy, Aldo, Pettis, Machida do. Of course, its harder to do that like those others when you weight 260lbs."

Yeah, maybe my OP was not clear. I'm not talking about "most effective strikers" or "guys who KO everybody", I'm talking about artists.