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UnderGround Forum >> UFC scouting for 115 lb fighters in Mexico
| 1/29/13 9:05 PM | |
show no mercy
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Member Since: 3/24/11 Posts: 1742 |
195 or 225-35 cruiser weight first imo 
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| 1/29/13 9:13 PM | |
Stigga
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Member Since: 5/10/10 Posts: 1046 |
show no mercy - 195 or 225-35 cruiser weight first imoI would like to see 205 moved to 195 or 200 and then create a 220.
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| 1/29/13 9:15 PM | |
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Petey B
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Member Since: 9/9/07 Posts: 507 |
Eunuchorn - They need to focus on building the flyweight division first and foremostI don't think the two are mutually exclusive. Five them both time and both divisions will be built. It doesn't happen all at once. 
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| 1/29/13 9:33 PM | |
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trblesum13
Member Since: 1/21/13 Posts: 86 |
I've seen Tweakers who don't weigh 115lbs. I think this is a bad move. I'm a fan of the 125,135,& 145 lbs division, but a 115lbs division in the UFC is ridiculous.
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| 1/29/13 9:34 PM | |
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MisterHawkeMMA
Member Since: 8/11/11 Posts: 115 |
Honestly, I think it's too soon for 125. Once there's enough talent at 125, than they can try incorporating 115. What I'd love is if they really started progressively stealing bigger athletes from football and basketball. That way they could fill up 265 enough to also create a 235 division. With that said... I am worrisome that the more divisions created the easier it will be for one fighter to avoid another. Too many guys already using weight to avoid difficult fights. |
| 1/29/13 9:35 PM | |
Pancake Syrup
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Member Since: 8/7/12 Posts: 4322 |
I'm not a huge fan of 125 and it's weak roster wise. 115 is just dumb |
| 1/29/13 9:38 PM | |
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trblesum13
Member Since: 1/21/13 Posts: 89 |
First they need the see how the woman in the UFC do!
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| 1/29/13 9:39 PM | |
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trblesum13
Member Since: 1/21/13 Posts: 90 |
*women
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| 1/29/13 9:52 PM | |
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LibraryCard
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Member Since: 8/23/11 Posts: 1924 |
I don't want this division, 125 is small enough. I'd like to see 205 go to 200 and then add in a division at 225. Let HW be 225+ no 265 limit. |
| 1/29/13 10:24 PM | |
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Chromium
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Member Since: 5/30/11 Posts: 653 |
dhas - LMAO im from Mexico, trust me, they wont find anyone, and i mean not even 1 fighter that fights at 115, most of the half-legit fighters that come out with the limited training there is here are from bantam to welterweight, 115 is plain silly, there is barely legit MMA fighters here, 115 isn't the place to look for. See, this is why I wish at some point either MMAJunkie or the UG blog had actually done minimal research to verify the story since it was bullshit. They weren't there looking for Strawweights, I went through or glanced past all 411 Strawweight profiles in the Sherdog database (out of ~121,000 total). I skipped past anyone with a name that was obviously female or Japanese. To the best of what I could determine there are less than 20 male Strawweights I found outside of Asia, less than 10 in the Eastern Hemisphere, none with more than 4 fights, none with more than 1 win, none from Mexico or who were plausibly Mexican-American. Meanwhile the UFC was scouting all weight classes, they weren't looking for Strawweights. It was the reporter who mentioned "115 lbs." and Dana White didn't bother to correct him since he was answering about Mexico and this was a general informal media scrum with a dozen people right in his face. The quotes in the article about Flyweights were answers to other questions and mostly relating to the main-event that night. |
| 1/29/13 10:38 PM | |
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Stigga
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Member Since: 5/10/10 Posts: 1047 |
UFC Tonight (@UFCTonight) 1/29/13, 10:23 PM Will a 115lb division eventually happen in the @ufc? @danawhite says so. Boo!!
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| 1/29/13 10:44 PM | |
Sofa King Cool
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Member Since: 12/1/05 Posts: 12222 |
Man, I know I'll get flamed for not being a true fight fan, but I'm that interested in the lower weights. I've come to really enjoy 145, but 135-125-115 is a bit overkill. Why not combine 145-135 at 140. Then if you must have a 125. 125-140-155-170-185-205 is so Much better than 115-125-135-145-155-170-185-205 With so much disparity in the higher weights (separated by 15-20 lbs) having five weight classes within 10 lbs is a bit of overkill, IMO. But I'm sure ill still watch the fights. But in terms of growth of the sport, the casual fans do not care about wight classes below 155. That's unfortunate, but it's the truth (at least in my experience).
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| 1/29/13 10:50 PM | |
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Stigga
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Member Since: 5/10/10 Posts: 1048 |
I don't get the hate on her for people who don't like the lighter fights. I will put this out: In general I significantly enjoy fights at 155 and up then under 155!!!
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| 1/29/13 11:32 PM | |
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MichaelMeyers
Member Since: 7/2/11 Posts: 229 |
Midget fights next? I think anything under 145 mixed fights should happen. Boys vs Girls. Tell me why not. |
| 1/29/13 11:36 PM | |
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Chaz Johnson
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Member Since: 11/24/11 Posts: 724 |
Best fighter in history from Mexico? Really?
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| 1/30/13 12:00 AM | |
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semtex0809
Member Since: 7/4/11 Posts: 1943 |
Pettis ,L garcia , cain , diaz bros arent that small dont really get y dana trying to say mexicans are small
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| 1/30/13 12:01 AM | |
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semtex0809
Member Since: 7/4/11 Posts: 1944 |
Asians are more likely to be 115 mexicans eat too much tacos
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| 1/30/13 1:10 AM | |
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r_o_y
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Member Since: 12/22/10 Posts: 1134 |
What is the point of 115 before barely getting 125 rolling? |
| 1/30/13 1:23 AM | |
BUFFGEO
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 12256 |
MrMead - I would rather see the UFC come up with a ranking system and a legit way to match up fighters other than who is the flavor of the day. THIS They need to fix all the shit thats broken rather then keep trying to add more and more The UFC is like a ship with a busted hull, leaking like a bitch... but all they do is keep beefing up the engine and try and go faster Personally, I see the UFC sinking last few years not getting better. at this rate, its gonna die... not be the epic world beating entity Dana thinks its becoming. we'll see |
| 1/30/13 2:25 AM | |
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Chromium
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Member Since: 5/30/11 Posts: 655 |
Stigga - UFC Tonight (@UFCTonight) He said that fucking years ago. The Mexico trip still was confirmed by a participant as being for all weight classes, the quotes from the article are all mostly responses to other questions and it was the MMAJunkie reporter mentioning 115 lbs. while Dana didn't deny anything (and talking to a dozen reporters at once), and if they had a single Strawweight from Mexico or Central America present I'd be shocked. The male Strawweight scene outside of Asia is smaller than Women's LW for fuck's sake, not even exaggerating. There are less than 10 in the Sherdog database in North and South America, none in Mexico or Central America, none with more than four fights, none with more than one win (pro or amateur), and even that includes fighters who have been inactive for years. There are Strawweights in Asia, most interestingly there are some in the Super Fight League, and if the UFC really wants to crack a major Asian market, then Mens 115 might yield them a Filipino or Japanese World Champion, and in a few years it might also be the quickest way to get some Indian fighters on the roster who aren't ridiculously overmatched (this was the most surprising thing when spending a couple hours pouring through the Sherdog database today). However this aint gonna come from Mexico, not any time soon. Sherdog lists over 120,000 fighters historically and that includes _zero_ Mexican strawweights, or any from Central America, and none outside Asia has a record worth jack. Checking opponent's records, I found a couple of Brazilian Flyweights with good records who may or may not have taken at least one fight at Strawweight. This is the best one I think: http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Lincoln-de-Sa-52541 Brazil is hardly a market they need help with and it doesn't help that internationally not a single top Strawweight can speak English unless you include Jesse Taitano (7-9 record but most of his losses were to top Shooto fighters). Anyway there's no way in fuck that Men's Strawweight is happening anytime soon. |
| 1/30/13 2:29 AM | |
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Chromium
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Member Since: 5/30/11 Posts: 656 |
BUFFGEO -MrMead - I would rather see the UFC come up with a ranking system and a legit way to match up fighters other than who is the flavor of the day. An official ranking system, like a least an official Top 10, would probably give the fighter's contract leverage, but at the same time it could really help with casual fans to keep their interest. Also, why do people always say shit lke "the UFC is gonna die at this rate" because their own interest has waned? The UFC is still hugely profitable, and still has expansion options, plus they're getting a fresh influx of talent with the Strikeforce talent. Your interest might die, the UFC will be fine. |
| 1/30/13 2:38 AM | |
sgotwalks
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Member Since: 8/31/10 Posts: 8344 |
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&thread=2117377 |
| 1/30/13 3:04 AM | |
john_d1974
Member Since: 4/9/12 Posts: 159 |
nobody be watching that shit! |
| 1/30/13 3:24 AM | |
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GaryColeman
Member Since: 4/22/12 Posts: 231 |
Why doesn't Dana make 'The Ultimate Fighter: Ethiopia' and start at 70 pound division if he likes watching malnourished toddlers pillow fight each other to long boring decisions so much?
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| 1/30/13 3:54 AM | |
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sgotwalks
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Member Since: 8/31/10 Posts: 8346 |
GaryColeman - Why doesn't Dana make 'The Ultimate Fighter: Ethiopia' and start at 70 pound division if he likes watching malnourished toddlers pillow fight each other to long boring decisions so much? If you ever had the opportunity to enjoy the likes of Michael Carbajal, who spent his legendary boxing career fighting between 108 and 115 lbs, you would understand the value guys of his stature can bring to the world of combat sports. Humberto Gonzalez, Scotty Olson, Jorge Arce, Vic Darchinyan...........these were super exciting guys to watch during the highlight of their respective careers. Carbajal was the 1993 Ring Magazine Boxer of the Year, and his fight with Humberto Gonzalez was the Ring Magazine Fight of the Year. All it will take is one Carbajal type guy to enter MMA at the same time as a Gonzalez type guy, and a lot of attitudes will change towards the little guys. |
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