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2/5/13 2:38 AM
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Didn't read but Bas is always right!

 

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2/5/13 2:44 AM
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Bas and CC both laying down the verbal smack on the Reem. Poor guy but deserves it. The Reem was so much more humble and intelligent in SF, what happened?
2/5/13 3:14 AM
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I remember before AO left GG, Bas in every HW ranking had AO number 1, then AO left GG and then their friendship was no more Phone Post
2/5/13 3:15 AM
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Billy Joe Rottoncrotch - El Guapo is a living god.

They should call him El Geniuso.

Or El Predicto.
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2/5/13 3:24 AM
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Didn't read but Bas is always right!

 

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Hahahahahahahhaha

Nice. Phone Post
2/5/13 3:37 AM
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2/5/13 3:41 AM
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i usually dont read wall of texts on here but if its bas i will. good read and i think hes 100% correct. Phone Post
2/5/13 3:54 AM
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rrefs - From his Facebook page. FRAT warning!

OK, many people asked me, so lets talk about the Overeem fight.
I had a lot of heat from “new fans” (I guess), or fans that never check stats on fighters.
Let me be perfectly clear, I started fighting September 1993, yes that’s right, even before the UFC had their first show! So I have been around a very long time, in September actually 20 years!

During that time, you all know that I always speak my mind, I will NOT make something up because I don’t like a certain fighter personally, because when I am wrong, it makes me look like an idiot and I simply don’t like to look like an idiot.

Same as that you won’t find even one product that I endorse which is not good, everything I endorse I stand 100% behind. I could have made much more money if I wanted, but then I had to endorse something that I didn’t believe it, so I never did.

Before the fight I said that: ” Overeem is an animal, really good striker, great on the ground as well, hard G&P, he only has to connect and the fight will probably be over, and that for a HW, he always comes “in shape”. But…. he has a “glass jaw”.
Now saying that he has a “glass jaw”, doesn’t means he’s gonna lose. I mean, he became the K1 Champion and those guys are the BEST strikers in the world, and they couldn’t hit him. So he will probably win this fight against BF, I am just saying that Big Foot has upset the world before and stopped Fedor (Freaking Fedor people!! In my book still the greatest), so he can do it again!”

Now, from this whole statement above that I made about AO, I think I gave him a lot of props? I ONLY said he had a glass jaw, (which is true), but for some reason many fans forgot the props I gave him and ONLY focused on the “glass jaw” comment. THAT just blows my mind. And especially because they said I only mentioned the “glass jaw” because I don’t like him?

OK, let’s break this down:
From 2005 till 2007 he had 7 fights from which he lost 5 and 4 of those losses were by way of KO. (Shogun KO’d him as well three fights before those 7 fights) The whole world of MMA at that time was saying he had a glass jaw (from his THEN 11 losses, 7 were by KO, now 12-8), not only me.

And, I said, “because he has a glass jaw, that’s why Overeems team GG changed his weight and his fighting style after he lost his last fight against Kharitonov”.
From that moment on he would only throw “single attacks”, meaning, there will always be at least ONE hand on his jaw!

When AO was going to fight JDS (Before he got caught with roids there was talk about it), people asked me who I thought would win and I said “JDS”, which I truly believe would happen (I don’t care what other people think, it’s what I think).
Then they said, “You just say this because you don’t like AO”. I said “Really? So why did I tell people that he was going to beat Brock Lesnar? I mean, didn’t like him as a person at that time already but I still said he would beat Lesnar”. So how’s that possible when you “reason” like you do? Of course it would become silent….

And about the fight, I am not going into the “other things” people are talking about, I only say this:
I don’t think AO underestimated BF because he would be a complete idiot if he did, NEVER look pass your fight, every fighter knows this, plus again, BF stopped the great Fedor! I think the reason he lost is that he steered away from his team (GG), where a guy like Gokhan Saki would work circles around him in training, you NEED guys like that to train with because now he steered away from the “one strike attacks” and from “always having at least one hand on his jaw”, he actually didn’t have ANY hands at his jaw?
(Don’t be dumb now and say that he beat Saki in the K1, because yes he did, but the world knew also that Saki had a broken hand and ARM going into that fight, ask anybody who has seen them spar together about who comes out on top)

He steered away from his “winning combination”. He started throwing combinations and that will open him up for counters. I believe in training (wherever he trains now) that he’s probably the best guy there and that nobody really poses a threat to him. Think about it, because that could be the only reason for him to steer away from what he used to do, from what he used to "NEED TO DO" otherwise he would get floored in training because of the talent he trained with.

That’s what I think, now I know he was very rude towards BF and maybe his “acting” started to take over and he started to believe himself and forgot about Fedor, so maybe he did get a little “over confident”, but still, never break a winning combination.

My stretch routine in the classes I teach has been exactly the same for the last 15 years, sometimes the students ask me “Can’t we do something different?”. And you know what I say? Say: “No, because with this routine I NEVER, EVER had an injury, so why would I change it?

If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!

Godspeed and party on

How many people read this with Bas' voice in their heads?

I did

2/5/13 4:24 AM
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While I agree with most of what Bas said, I normally always do. However I don't agree with him not having high level strikers where he trains. He has Spong, Belfort and some other high level strikers. At GG he had high high level strikers but not many high level grapplers. Now he has high level strikers (not as many as ar GG granted) AND high high level grapplers.

I think what we are seeing is a new Camp that hasn't dialed it all in yet. Rashad looked flat, Guilard looked flat and AO looked flat. I don't think the coaching is synchronized yet. It just seems like they don't know what they want to do once they step in there. That's what I'm seeing. Phone Post
2/5/13 4:26 AM
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Reem nuthuggers are like NO OTHER. It doesn't surprise me in the least that they got their panties in such a bunch that they actually started going after Bas so bad that he ended up responding publicly.
2/5/13 4:40 AM
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Elhoffo - Didn't Bas have to retire because of injury? Phone Post
I took it to mean he never had an injury in class, to one of his students. Phone Post
2/5/13 4:43 AM
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3 strikes - Bas is right on his analysis, but he should keep it to himself because if he was in good terms with AO he would not be saying any of this even if it is the 'truth'. He comes off bitter towards the reem even when paying him compliments, just keep quoting CroCop since he put it so much better and without sounding like an ass.
The bitter tone your read is a manifestation of your retard brain. IMO.

'Godspeed and party on'. Phone Post
2/5/13 4:55 AM
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2/5/13 5:01 AM
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Love Bas.
2/5/13 5:06 AM
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Spot on Phone Post
2/5/13 5:09 AM
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Well written, fair and accurate. Good stuff from Bas. Love his fight analysis and breakdowns. Although I can't stand that bully beat down nonsense! Phone Post
2/5/13 5:10 AM
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Bas is 100% right with everything he said here. Phone Post
2/5/13 5:22 AM
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funny how shit changed after the gg thing.. he would have never said that shit if overeem was still with them

2/5/13 5:37 AM
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Makes sense. Phone Post
2/5/13 6:10 AM
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* The More You Know * gif would be perfect here. Phone Post
2/5/13 6:11 AM
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I completely agree with Bas when it comes to the technical aspect (changes) that we've seen in Reem's game. It's pretty obvious if you look at his two fights since he left GG; he obviously dumped how he previously approached fights, for a style that would be more suited for defending takedowns. However, I think there's a more complex issue with Reem's quasi-fall-from-grace. I've been a huge Reem believer for a long time. After he popped hot for that test, I restrained from jumping on the "juicing bandwagon" and wanted to hear Reem's side of the story. Once I did, I was skeptical, but as the days went by and the photos and other Reem media slowly made its way onto the web I didn't see any significant changes that would warrant such a claim... And then came Bigfoot vs. Alistar... Not Bigfoot vs. the Reem. Not the Reem that we all saw take K1 by the balls (and handily take the championships from those other orgs). As much as I hate to say this-just because I was such a believer-I saw a completely different fighter, and I'm going to steer away from accusations because it just isn't cool. But the man I saw face Bigfoot on Saturday didn't lack technical knowhow; he lacked the aggression and confidence to make his technical knowhow matter. So the only reason I took the time to write this post is that I've been thinking about this whole ordeal for the past two days, and slowly I've begun to feel like a fool. That being said, I've come to no other conclusion (and I would recommend it for anyone else who feels as I do) but to go ahead and jump on that bandwagon and don't look back.
2/5/13 6:25 AM
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Actually he trains with Tyrone Spong now but Bas still makes a strong point. Phone Post
2/5/13 6:36 AM
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Position before submission! Phone Post
2/5/13 7:02 AM
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I could not help but read that in my head with bas's accent! Phone Post

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