UnderGround Forum >> Bas Rutten: Fedor is the greatest MMA fighter ever

irishrottie - 

ABE FROMAN - 

irishrottie - 

When Fedor was king of pride Anderson was getting tapped by Takase and Chonan. Perspective my frens.

When Anderson was on a streak unequalled in the UFC, Fedor was getting KO'd by a guy who almost lost to Mike Kyle and a Middleweight that Anderson dispatched in 2.

Perspective.

 

You mean Dan Henderson who is one of the best p4p ever and top 5 HW Bigfoot?

And 2 weight classes below the 'greatest ever'?

If we're trashing Anderson to prop up Fedor then yea, we need to examine all the angles.

Fedor only weighed roughly 16 lbs. more than Dan that night. Compare this to the following notable heavyweight fights: JDS vs. Shane Carwin (15 lb. weight difference), Brock Lesnar vs. Frank Mir (20+ lb. weight difference), Brock Lesnar vs Randy Couture (40 lb. weight difference), JDS vs. Frank Mir (22 lb. weight difference), Bigfoot vs. Cain Velasquez (25+ lb. weight difference).

Jons Forsberg - "And 2 weight classes below the 'greatest ever'?"

you mean like Takase? but without any of Hendos accolades.

You mean in this decade without 10 years worth of knowledge? 10 years later Anderson crushes the guy who crushes your crush.

maccadamion - when asked Anderson Silva said

" FEDOR " is the best ever. just sayin.

Before or after he said BJ Penn was better than him?

mygodthisMMA - -10 years undefeated. Modern fighters fight once a year and can't go one year without losing.

-The division he fought in was arguably tougher and deeper.

-He fought and won multiple times in the same night, multiple times.

- 7 and 0 against former UFC champions.

- ***TEN MINUTE FIRST ROUNDS***

- Fought in the ring which eliminated the ability to run from your opponent.

- During his reign he was challenged and always came back to win decisively.

- He should have cut to 205, but never tried so he could prove himself the best at his natural weight.

- Didn't lift weights or strength train for years.

- He trained in a fucking snowy park.

- The most nimble, swift, and clever HW fighter of all time. He blended techniques together like a bantamweight.

- Knees to the head, kicks to the head, no elbows, and no cage. So no ability to just be stronger than his opponent and hold them down.

- Won fights decisively off his back numerous times, as well as being the most feared striker, and ground and pounder in the world. Legitimately the most well rounded fighter we had ever seen at that point in MMA.

- Fuck you you're a noob if you think different.

Funaki Masakatsu #1 -

Fedor only weighed roughly 16 lbs. more than Dan that night. Compare this to the following notable heavyweight fights: JDS vs. Shane Carwin (15 lb. weight difference), Brock Lesnar vs. Frank Mir (20+ lb. weight difference), Brock Lesnar vs Randy Couture (40 lb. weight difference), JDS vs. Frank Mir (22 lb. weight difference), Bigfoot vs. Cain Velasquez (25+ lb. weight difference).

mygodthisMMA - -10 years undefeated. Modern fighters fight once a year and can't go one year without losing.

-The division he fought in was arguably tougher and deeper.

-He fought and won multiple times in the same night, multiple times.

- 7 and 0 against former UFC champions.

- ***TEN MINUTE FIRST ROUNDS***

- Fought in the ring which eliminated the ability to run from your opponent.

- During his reign he was challenged and always came back to win decisively.

- He should have cut to 205, but never tried so he could prove himself the best at his natural weight.

- Didn't lift weights or strength train for years.

- He trained in a fucking snowy park.

- The most nimble, swift, and clever HW fighter of all time. He blended techniques together like a bantamweight.

- Knees to the head, kicks to the head, no elbows, and no cage. So no ability to just be stronger than his opponent and hold them down.

- Won fights decisively off his back numerous times, as well as being the most feared striker, and ground and pounder in the world. Legitimately the most well rounded fighter we had ever seen at that point in MMA.

- Fuck you you're a noob if you think different.

ABE FROMAN - 

Jons Forsberg - "And 2 weight classes below the 'greatest ever'?"

you mean like Takase? but without any of Hendos accolades.

You mean in this decade without 10 years worth of knowledge? 10 years later Anderson crushes the guy who crushes your crush.

 

Jons Forsberg - 

ABE FROMAN - 

Jons Forsberg - "And 2 weight classes below the 'greatest ever'?"

you mean like Takase? but without any of Hendos accolades.

You mean in this decade without 10 years worth of knowledge? 10 years later Anderson crushes the guy who crushes your crush.

 

the whole career counts, we're talking about all time greatest not current greatest.

Ok? So Anderson has losses EARLY in his career when he wasn't as good of a fighter. Fedor has losses in his early 30's, a time he should've been in his prime.

Nobody begrudges Fedor, the problem is that you want to work off of Anderson's back in order to prove that Fedor is the King. I'm just showing that 2 can play that game.

Pro Ice - 

Come on guys Fedor WAS NOT KO'd by Big Foot.

No doubt Fedor was beat up but a testament to his heart he was ready to come out for the 3rd...the doctor had to stop the fight!

And nobody can say for sure what would've happened if there was a 3rd round

D241 - 

 

Mufasatheking -  plus its harder to work off your back with elbows so Andersons triangles are more impressive.

Fedor fought where elbows to the body are allowed, but more importantly, knees to the head while on the ground was allowed, something not allowed in UFC. That is subjective in terms of more impressive off their back.

 

 

Mufasatheking -  Anderson is more feared as a striker then Fedor ever was.

Who do you have as Anderson's 2 most credible opponent whose strength is striking? What are those fighters credentials in striking?

 

Who do you have as Fedor's 2 most credible opponent whose strength is striking? What are those fighters credentials?

 

The fact that you tried to minimize the resume of the fighters before you even mentioned the fighters says all you need to.

Anderson is a worthy Goat, so no problems if you got him above Fedor. Not me though.

There's plenty of ways to big up Anderson and make a case for him as being Goat.

But do me a favor, outside of the UG in the real world, don't compare Anderson's striking opponents with those of Fedor's. It wouldn't get your point across like you want to.

Without having the need to "explain" things, just put it in order like this, and see if it looks right without the need for any explanation.

Fedor:

Mirko

Hunt

Shilt

Arvloski

Anderson:

Vitor

Sakurai

Henderson

Franklin

(personally I would've chosen Lee Murray or Alex Steibling over Sakurai in terms of striking)

D241 - 

The fact that you tried to minimize the resume of the fighters before you even mentioned the fighters says all you need to.

 

Anderson is a worthy Goat, so no problems if you got him above Fedor. Not me though.

There's plenty of ways to big up Anderson and make a case for him as being Goat.

But do me a favor, outside of the UG in the real world, don't compare Anderson's striking opponents with those of Fedor's. It wouldn't get your point across like you want to.