UnderGround Forum >> seriously cut the boo sit about TRT

Freeman - 

Winston Wolf - 

Herring In A Fur Coat - 

This low testosterone in ur 30s excuse is about the biggest load of horse shit ive heard.

In your expert medical opinion, at what age does a man's testosterone production begin to decline?

dont have to be an expert for the load of horsehit excuses they use.My opinion is its a load of shit and an excuse to roid up.Ya right Belfort and Henderson NEED TRT Guess what I had low sperm when trying to have kid I was 36.They didnt even consider giving me TRT.So what their sperm counts low Soooooo.

So testosterone is a steroid?

I learn new things every day.

Daren, I respect your point of view. I disagree, but I respect your opinion.

Go easy on the snow. Guys drop dead shoveling every winter !

Evzey -  Even if you have low testosterone unlucky! TRT should not be allowed in my opinion

Gobulcoque - 

Winston Wolf - ok explain the ratio thing to me then Never said i was a doctor.I thought they were allowed 6:1 when the average is 1:1 and Overeem was 12:1 I admit im not n expert

The ratio is a ratio, it has nothing to do with the actual levels of testosterone in someones body. If no testosterone is administered from an outside source your ratio should be 1:1. If you are taking test/on TRT, this ratio will be way out of proportion, you could have a 100:1 ratio and still have less testosterone than a 40 year old fat man.

There is no reason why the level of testosterone shouldn't be consistent among all fighters since everyone seems to agree that it's a big advantage.

Gobulcoque - 

Winston Wolf - ok explain the ratio thing to me then Never said i was a doctor.I thought they were allowed 6:1 when the average is 1:1 and Overeem was 12:1 I admit im not n expert

The ratio is a ratio, it has nothing to do with the actual levels of testosterone in someones body. If no testosterone is administered from an outside source your ratio should be 1:1. If you are taking test/on TRT, this ratio will be way out of proportion, you could have a 100:1 ratio and still have less testosterone than a 40 year old fat man.

There is no reason why the level of testosterone shouldn't be consistent among all fighters since everyone seems to agree that it's a big advantage.

The average T/E ratio is above 1:1, something like 1.15:1

Not everyone has the same natural ratio.  Hence the allowance for 6:1 or 4:1 depending on the testing standard.

Winston Wolf - 

Gobulcoque - 

Winston Wolf - ok explain the ratio thing to me then Never said i was a doctor.I thought they were allowed 6:1 when the average is 1:1 and Overeem was 12:1 I admit im not n expert

The ratio is a ratio, it has nothing to do with the actual levels of testosterone in someones body. If no testosterone is administered from an outside source your ratio should be 1:1. If you are taking test/on TRT, this ratio will be way out of proportion, you could have a 100:1 ratio and still have less testosterone than a 40 year old fat man.

There is no reason why the level of testosterone shouldn't be consistent among all fighters since everyone seems to agree that it's a big advantage.

thanks thats what i thought and think they should all be 1:1

Gobulcoque - Natural levels should be very close to 1:1, as 1.15:1 is, and would be a real anomaly to have 2:1 or over according the couple experts I've heard.

Guys who are on TRT also have to come in under the 6:1 or 4:1 ratio, so if they are normally over that they actually have to reduce their dosage for the fight, which is why Chael got in trouble, even though his test levels may or may not have been any higher or lower than Andersons.

So fighters with a TUE for TRT have to test within the same ratio limits as everyone else.

You can say they abuse it between fights and reduce their dosage prior to the fight... but how is that different from fighters without TUE who are doing cycles of anabolics in between fights and cycling off in time to pass the pre-fight test?

Everyone has to take and pass the same test... TRT or not.

Gobulcoque -

Winston Wolf - 

Gobulcoque - 

Winston Wolf - ok explain the ratio thing to me then Never said i was a doctor.I thought they were allowed 6:1 when the average is 1:1 and Overeem was 12:1 I admit im not n expert

The ratio is a ratio, it has nothing to do with the actual levels of testosterone in someones body. If no testosterone is administered from an outside source your ratio should be 1:1. If you are taking test/on TRT, this ratio will be way out of proportion, you could have a 100:1 ratio and still have less testosterone than a 40 year old fat man.

There is no reason why the level of testosterone shouldn't be consistent among all fighters since everyone seems to agree that it's a big advantage.

thanks thats what i thought and think they should all be 1:1

Why do you think that way? If two 25 year old athletes that have never abused any steroids, worked their whole life to be able to compete at the highest level, but 1 just naturally produces less testosterone than the other, it should just be too bad for him?

Why is everyone against a level playing field?

And Wagners Cut - 

Gobulcoque -

Winston Wolf - 

Gobulcoque - 

Winston Wolf - ok explain the ratio thing to me then Never said i was a doctor.I thought they were allowed 6:1 when the average is 1:1 and Overeem was 12:1 I admit im not n expert

The ratio is a ratio, it has nothing to do with the actual levels of testosterone in someones body. If no testosterone is administered from an outside source your ratio should be 1:1. If you are taking test/on TRT, this ratio will be way out of proportion, you could have a 100:1 ratio and still have less testosterone than a 40 year old fat man.

There is no reason why the level of testosterone shouldn't be consistent among all fighters since everyone seems to agree that it's a big advantage.

thanks thats what i thought and think they should all be 1:1

Why do you think that way? If two 25 year old athletes that have never abused any steroids, worked their whole life to be able to compete at the highest level, but 1 just naturally produces less testosterone than the other, it should just be too bad for him?

Why is everyone against a level playing field?

Yeah it is to bad if one produces less test.

What if one doesn't hit as hard? Shall we give him loaded gloves?

What if he's not as strong?  Should he be banned from eating protein supplements and lifiting weights?

lars_schifinkter - Talking to the doctors I know (yes I know doctors you cunts, I'm fuckin so coooool.) there is no way any high level combat sports athlete, especially former Olympic wrestlers and Olympic wrestling alternates would achieve the level of success they did in such intense sports with a medical condition that leaves them with low testosterone. They said the only thing they can imagine that would leave a guy like Henderson or Sonnen with low T levels is past steroid use.

Then they called me stupid for even asking.

DeuceDroppin -  The ignorance here is sickening. It's not exactly just that simple though. What is truly sickening is all of these Internet experts, that don't even have the most basic level of understanding regarding this, yet they talk like they are experts and influence the random forum sheep to think as they do. Everyone that posts that TRT users are allowed to have 6 times more test in their bodies should seriously be perma-banned for such blatant ignorance.

Winston Wolf - 

DeuceDroppin -  The ignorance here is sickening. It's not exactly just that simple though. What is truly sickening is all of these Internet experts, that don't even have the most basic level of understanding regarding this, yet they talk like they are experts and influence the random forum sheep to think as they do. Everyone that posts that TRT users are allowed to have 6 times more test in their bodies should seriously be perma-banned for such blatant ignorance.

i clearly said i wasnt sure about this later in this thread.I still stand bye only reason people take TRT is they were or are on roids.I dont buy they need it for any other reason

Yet it's been already pointed out in this thread that other parts of fighter lifestyle such as years upon years of trauma and weight cuts, on top of natural aging, can contribute to a fighter in his mid-30's with low T.

Not only are you completely ignorant, you're also refusing to learn, and just blindly regurgitate the same bullshit.

You're like Mr. Mackey from South Park.  "TRT is bad, mmkay..."

These threads get made over and over and it always ends up with ridiculously ignorant posts all around. Unless you are a medical professional and really know what the fuck you are talkiing about then please stop.

Jaybrone - 

These threads get made over and over and it always ends up with ridiculously ignorant posts all around. Unless you are a medical professional and really know what the fuck you are talkiing about then please stop.

sparkuri -  A lot of good posters arguing with each other.
My view. I'd never even heard of trt until the UFC, and MOST people who "need" it have muscles on top of muscles.
If someone "needs" it to enhance their performance, then open the floodgates and cut the crap.
The exceptions would be guys like Hallman maybe, and the amount needed should be no more than that given to a janitor or teacher.