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UnderGround Forum >> Dan Henderson: I won that fight
| 2/24/13 12:30 PM | |
GSP24
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iDaz -.The Sauce - No one did, fans included.../thread 
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| 2/24/13 12:30 PM | |
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kao
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seeeeee, karate point striking wins in mma tourney!! |
| 2/24/13 12:32 PM | |
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UGCTT_ Lay'n'PrayNINJA
Member Since: 5/13/11 Posts: 18040 |
Bentleysuper8 - At some point aggression needs to play a bigger role in scoring a fight. I would have given the fight to Dan. It was close for sure but when in doubt I'd always give it to the fighter who actually wants to fight.Yes, lets totally reward fighters for walking forward even if you are not doing any damage or being more effective. Lets punish all the fighters who like to counterstrike by making the scoring biased towards certain styles. /sarcasm Its called "effective aggression" for a reason. Dan was not being effective. Same reason we all know Leonard Garcia didn't really win many of his decision wins. Now the judges get it right and you're crying because its Henderson. 
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| 2/24/13 12:32 PM | |
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Bisping decisioned my SN
Member Since: 8/7/11 Posts: 1336 |
EvilMaster - The decision was good, Machida out pointed him. That is all there is too it.Exactly. It sucks but machida did what he usually does unless the opponent gets reckless then he knocks them out.
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| 2/24/13 12:37 PM | |
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Bisping decisioned my SN
Member Since: 8/7/11 Posts: 1337 |
UGCTT_ Lay'n'PrayNINJA -I don't always agree with you but I have to here. As much as I wanted Dan to win for the sake of him getting a shot at the title before he retires. Machida won that, sucks it wasn't as exciting as most expected but that's how Things go sometimes.Bentleysuper8 - At some point aggression needs to play a bigger role in scoring a fight. I would have given the fight to Dan. It was close for sure but when in doubt I'd always give it to the fighter who actually wants to fight.Yes, lets totally reward fighters for walking forward even if you are not doing any damage or being more effective. Lets punish all the fighters who like to counterstrike by making the scoring biased towards certain styles. Dan couldn't be more aggressive because machida was already connecting on counters and hard knees/ kicks everytime he waded in. Dan did not look that good and I don't think I'd want to see him against JBJ. Machida is still the only person I believe has a shot currently at LHW and he only wins if he doesn't get taken down.
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| 2/24/13 12:39 PM | |
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abi
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lyoto clearly won the fight. Landed more shots, got that nice trip...I love hendo but come on brotha...
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| 2/24/13 12:39 PM | |
HexRei
Member Since: 6/4/07 Posts: 12478 |
Bisping decisioned my SN -UGCTT_ Lay'n'PrayNINJA -I don't always agree with you but I have to here. As much as I wanted Dan to win for the sake of him getting a shot at the title before he retires. Machida won that, sucks it wasn't as exciting as most expected but that's how Things go sometimes.Bentleysuper8 - At some point aggression needs to play a bigger role in scoring a fight. I would have given the fight to Dan. It was close for sure but when in doubt I'd always give it to the fighter who actually wants to fight.Yes, lets totally reward fighters for walking forward even if you are not doing any damage or being more effective. Lets punish all the fighters who like to counterstrike by making the scoring biased towards certain styles. JBJ choked him unconscious standing last time they fought... |
| 2/24/13 12:39 PM | |
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Chiron
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KingstonHawkeJr - Actually, I love the way Machida fights. Reminds me of Mayweather. When Hendo was aggressive he was getting picked apart. Only reason it got boring late is because Hendo stopped coming forward. He made it a boring fight, and lost in the process. He should be happy though, at least now he get's to avoid the massacre that was going to take place if he fought Jon Jones. So Hendo made it a boring fight by not coming forward anymore, even though Machida ran away most of the fight? Talk about delusional. There's definitely an argument Machida won, but if either of them had a bigger hand in making it a boring fight, it was Machida. Don't be blinded by bias. |
| 2/24/13 12:48 PM | |
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Herbish1
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Someone has to fight, what would happen if Hendo decided not to push forward? We would see a fight where no one throws a strike. Thankfully that didn't happen because Hendo is a fighter.
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| 2/24/13 12:51 PM | |
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Chiron
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I wouldn't call anyone who saw it going either way wrong. Machida seemed to land better shots overall but I thought Hendo landed more and Fight Metric confirmed that aspect, plus he was coming forward and not being timid like Machida was, so it's all in how you want to interpret ambiguity. There was one round that clearly went to Machida but the other two could've gone either way depending on how you want to interpret the fucked up ruleset. The only ones that really lost were the fans. The rules need a serious overhaul for more clarification and to encourage guys to fight more than stand there and throw feints at each other. Probably would've been best to just call that fight a draw since not much of significance happened and it was close. Neither of them deserves to fight Jones after that. |
| 2/24/13 12:53 PM | |
OnlyTheStrongSurvive
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HexRei -After throwing him down, elbowing him to oblivion on the ground and putting a giant hole in his head. Machida was done after that.Bisping decisioned my SN -UGCTT_ Lay'n'PrayNINJA -I don't always agree with you but I have to here. As much as I wanted Dan to win for the sake of him getting a shot at the title before he retires. Machida won that, sucks it wasn't as exciting as most expected but that's how Things go sometimes.Bentleysuper8 - At some point aggression needs to play a bigger role in scoring a fight. I would have given the fight to Dan. It was close for sure but when in doubt I'd always give it to the fighter who actually wants to fight.Yes, lets totally reward fighters for walking forward even if you are not doing any damage or being more effective. Lets punish all the fighters who like to counterstrike by making the scoring biased towards certain styles.
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| 2/24/13 12:53 PM | |
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mchase126
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BuddyRevell -This
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| 2/24/13 12:55 PM | |
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Chiron
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Bentleysuper8 - At some point aggression needs to play a bigger role in scoring a fight. I would have given the fight to Dan. It was close for sure but when in doubt I'd always give it to the fighter who actually wants to fight. I would agree with that. Based on the rules I thought it should've just been a draw or slightly to Machida but there's an argument that Hendo won on more strikes landed and aggression. That's why the scoring system is stupid. It's ambiguous and encourages mediocrity in action. It's supposed to be a fight, not a point-karate tournament with little going on. There should be more encouragement of aggression so one or both guys don't sit there the whole fight going "No, you come at me". If it's that close or there's not much significant action it should just be called a draw. The rules should definitely encourage more engagement. |
| 2/24/13 12:56 PM | |
BuyTheTicketTakeTheRide
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Immaculata - Real difficult fight to Judge. You can make an arguement for Hendo winning 29-28.I would be interedted to hear that arguement. Very clear victory for Lyoto imo.
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| 2/24/13 12:56 PM | |
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BuyTheTicketTakeTheRide
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*interested
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| 2/24/13 12:59 PM | |
UGCTT_Edgar_Ate_My_Baby
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Chiron -ThisKingstonHawkeJr - Actually, I love the way Machida fights. Reminds me of Mayweather. When Hendo was aggressive he was getting picked apart. Only reason it got boring late is because Hendo stopped coming forward. He made it a boring fight, and lost in the process. He should be happy though, at least now he get's to avoid the massacre that was going to take place if he fought Jon Jones.
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| 2/24/13 1:00 PM | |
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alkysmurf
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I'm waiting for the man who is going to stand up to these "elusive" "footwork" fighters and stop pressuring them, make them come to you. Take the center and wait, hands on hips if need be. I think a guy like machida who is such a defensive fighter, might have a hard time playing the aggressor. Is this viable?
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| 2/24/13 1:04 PM | |
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Lazer MMA
Member Since: 4/24/12 Posts: 6593 |
UGCTT_Edgar_Ate_My_Baby -Chiron -ThisKingstonHawkeJr - Actually, I love the way Machida fights. Reminds me of Mayweather. When Hendo was aggressive he was getting picked apart. Only reason it got boring late is because Hendo stopped coming forward. He made it a boring fight, and lost in the process. He should be happy though, at least now he get's to avoid the massacre that was going to take place if he fought Jon Jones. True of course with Machida backing TF for most the entire fight, but it was close. I think though the fans have to live with any decision (like so many of Hendo's close fights). |
| 2/24/13 1:07 PM | |
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fishyfish
Member Since: 6/28/03 Posts: 6566 |
sucky fight. LOL @ everyone before the fight clamouring this fight as the REAL main event, not Rousey vs. Carmouche, which was actually a much better fight. neither Dan nor Machida deserve to fight for the title. watching the fight, it looked like they were saving it for the 4th and 5th rounds. and since this fight was "co-main event", why the hell wasn't it for 5 rounds ? |
| 2/24/13 1:11 PM | |
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epic hero
Member Since: 5/29/12 Posts: 1586 |
I thought nobody "won" but in terms of the decision I think it was a toss-up and I could see Dan deserving the nod. Machida would land a kick and would circle and back peddle for a minute afterwards, I think at some point you have to reward the aggressor |
| 2/24/13 1:15 PM | |
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UGCTT_ Lay'n'PrayNINJA
Member Since: 5/13/11 Posts: 18043 |
epic hero - I thought nobody "won" but in terms of the decision I think it was a toss-up and I could see Dan deserving the nod. Machida would land a kick and would circle and back peddle for a minute afterwards, I think at some point you have to reward the aggressorYou reward the "effective aggressor" not just the aggressor. They used to make that mistake with Leonard Garcia. Everyone hated it then... Plodding forward and swinging at air < backing up and accurately counter striking
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| 2/24/13 1:19 PM | |
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Trust
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Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 71574 Mixed Martial Arts, LLC, Moderator |
The Sauce - No one did, fans included... I'm a big fan of both Hendo and Machida, but that was a warm up sparring session, not a fight. |
| 2/24/13 1:36 PM | |
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Droppin Fights
Member Since: 9/13/12 Posts: 36 |
Lol Dan did nothing
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| 2/24/13 1:38 PM | |
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JamesTheWelshDR
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In all fairness to dan he has had a fair share of decisions go his way in the past that perhaps shouldn't of
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| 2/24/13 1:44 PM | |
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fishyfish
Member Since: 6/28/03 Posts: 6569 |
why the hell wasn't it scheduled for 5 rounds, as it was "co-main event" ? maybe something MIGHT have happened in those extra 2 rounds. |
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