UnderGround Forum >> Wrasslin Baby

MMOZ -  Also, pay your taxes or you'll end up in jail like Nick Diaz.

dagnabbit - ITS OFFICIAL!!!!!!!WRESTLING IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE A PART OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!!!!AND ITS OFFICIAL.....WRESTLING WINS FIGHTS!!!!!ACCEPT IT AND MOVE ON!!!!!

dagnabbit - ITS OFFICIAL!!!!!!!WRESTLING IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE A PART OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!!!!AND ITS OFFICIAL.....WRESTLING WINS FIGHTS!!!!!ACCEPT IT AND MOVE ON!!!!!

cantuna4u -  Yeah wrestling wins.
But the prolem is the fighters who use it to avoid actually fighting.
In the long run i hope the UFC doesnt suffer for it.

cantuna4u -  You said it Rocky. "controlling". Not beating the other guy. Yeah it "wins" points. But its not a fighting style. Treading water and swimming are not the same thing.

that's good.  do you know what kind of ratings wrestling on free TV get?  is that where you want the ufc to head to?

LOL@all the Traditonal Martial Artists....I mean, BJJers upset by this thread. It stinks like spilled kool-aid in this thread. Sell your pajamas and learn to wrestle so you don't look stupid. BJJ is killing the sport noe wrestling. Anyone that has half a brain realizes you need to know how to strike, wrestle and grapple. Leave one out and you are an idiot. The only demographic that is fighting with the other parts are BJJers. Wreslers learn to strike and do BJJ. Strikers learn to wrestle and do BJJ. BJJers only learn to strike. Maybe 1% learns to wrestle. It's a lineage, sensei, and pajama cult and if you take up wrestling you are a Benedict Arnold in their eyes. Stupid. Learn it all. Makes me wonder if people who think this way, didnt think that way, where they would be.

Where would Diaz, Condit, Penn be today if their wrestling was as good? If had unstoppable takedowns and were on top? Demian Maia gets it and look what it's doing for him? He's climbing back up the ranks.

Figure it out you stupid kool-aid heads.

lol @ fight it out.  wrestling = stalling.  stagnant. control.  man-hugging.

There is a reason why wrestling died.  it's one of the least viewed olympic sports.  fact. it's fucking BORING.  Who wants to watch 2 grown men hugging?  Let's be real.  

BadMon - 

lol @ fight it out.  wrestling = stalling.  stagnant. control.  man-hugging.

 

There is a reason why wrestling died.  it's one of the least viewed olympic sports.  fact. it's fucking BORING.  Who wants to watch 2 grown men hugging?  Let's be real.  

Wrestling died yet is winning championships?! HAHAHAHAHA! How many BJJers are winning championships via BJJ? Striking and wrestling wins belts. BJJ is the weakest link in MMA.

Cain: uses wrestling to win.

Jones: uses wrestling and striking.

Anderson Silva: uses striking (outside of triangling Chael which a 5 year old could do)

GSP: uses wrestling to win.

Benson Henderson: Striking and Wrestling to win.

Jose Aldo: Striking and wrestling defense.

Dom Cruz: Striking and wrestling defense.

Rene Barao:Striking and wrestling defense.

Might Mouse: Striking and Wrestling.

Notice on that list that even the Brazilians think it's the last thing needed? Where's you god/BJJ now? I'll tell you where it is: deader than wrestling.

Have a nice day!

ausgepicht - 

BadMon - 

lol @ fight it out.  wrestling = stalling.  stagnant. control.  man-hugging.

 

There is a reason why wrestling died.  it's one of the least viewed olympic sports.  fact. it's fucking BORING.  Who wants to watch 2 grown men hugging?  Let's be real.  

Wrestling died yet is winning championships?! HAHAHAHAHA! How many BJJers are winning championships via BJJ? Striking and wrestling wins belts. BJJ is the weakest link in MMA.

Cain: uses wrestling to win.

Jones: uses wrestling and striking.

Anderson Silva: uses striking (outside of triangling Chael which a 5 year old could do)

GSP: uses wrestling to win.

Benson Henderson: Striking and Wrestling to win.

Jose Aldo: Striking and wrestling defense.

Dom Cruz: Striking and wrestling defense.

Rene Barao:Striking and wrestling defense.

Might Mouse: Striking and Wrestling.

Notice on that list that even the Brazilians think it's the last thing needed? Where's you god/BJJ now? I'll tell you where it is: deader than wrestling.

Have a nice day!

it's fine if you mix it up.

i'm talking the strictly wrasslers.  lay and prayers.  nobody has an issue with Jon Jones or Cain's fighting style.

look at the title of the thread.

ausgepicht -

LOL@all the Traditonal Martial Artists....I mean, BJJers upset by this thread. It stinks like spilled kool-aid in this thread. Sell your pajamas and learn to wrestle so you don't look stupid. BJJ is killing the sport noe wrestling. Anyone that has half a brain realizes you need to know how to strike, wrestle and grapple. Leave one out and you are an idiot. The only demographic that is fighting with the other parts are BJJers. Wreslers learn to strike and do BJJ. Strikers learn to wrestle and do BJJ. BJJers only learn to strike. Maybe 1% learns to wrestle. It's a lineage, sensei, and pajama cult and if you take up wrestling you are a Benedict Arnold in their eyes. Stupid. Learn it all. Makes me wonder if people who think this way, didnt think that way, where they would be.

Where would Diaz, Condit, Penn be today if their wrestling was as good? If had unstoppable takedowns and were on top? Demian Maia gets it and look what it's doing for him? He's climbing back up the ranks.

Figure it out you stupid kool-aid heads.

cantuna4u -  Yeah rocky that wins. Than what? Who wants to pay 55 dollars to see you fight? Ask Fitch how good that formula works...

cm81 - 

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LOL@all the Traditonal Martial Artists....I mean, BJJers upset by this thread. It stinks like spilled kool-aid in this thread. Sell your pajamas and learn to wrestle so you don't look stupid. BJJ is killing the sport noe wrestling. Anyone that has half a brain realizes you need to know how to strike, wrestle and grapple. Leave one out and you are an idiot. The only demographic that is fighting with the other parts are BJJers. Wreslers learn to strike and do BJJ. Strikers learn to wrestle and do BJJ. BJJers only learn to strike. Maybe 1% learns to wrestle. It's a lineage, sensei, and pajama cult and if you take up wrestling you are a Benedict Arnold in their eyes. Stupid. Learn it all. Makes me wonder if people who think this way, didnt think that way, where they would be.

Where would Diaz, Condit, Penn be today if their wrestling was as good? If had unstoppable takedowns and were on top? Demian Maia gets it and look what it's doing for him? He's climbing back up the ranks.

Figure it out you stupid kool-aid heads.

No offense but your argument makes it seem as if we have been transported back to the pure style vs style days of Kerr vs Gurgel.

These days there is no such thing as a pure wrestler to make this kind of comparison. GSP a wrestler? You are aware he is a Gracie Barra black belt and trains with Roger and Braulio are you? Sure his takedowns helped but it was his crushing top game BJJ which helped make his takedowns meaningful once he got on the ground.

I fail to understand your gripe here. Most BJJers I know (myself) included do work wrestling takedowns or have a judo background.

One thing I do agree with you, and have done so for a long time is that BJJ guys tend to crosstrain more in striking than in wrestling, to their detriment. IMO all they should do is work takedowns. It was a shame to watch mat monsters like Maia and Aoki trading blows and not working their bread and butter. Glad Maia is on the right track now.

I never mentioned "pure" anything, but advocated being well rounded INCLUDING BJJ. I also never said GSP was a wrestler. Did you miss Saturday night's fights where Hendricks and GSP used takedowns that couldn't be stopped and helped them win their fights? I am making the point that striking, wrestling, and grappling is MANDATORY in this day and age and you get "style vs style"? Seriously, that is pitiful reading comprehension. Did you miss where I said "LEARN IT ALL." Did you miss where I said "You need to learn how to strike, wrestle and grapple."?

Also if you think learning some wrestling takedowns is learning wrestling you are sadly mistaking and not learning how to wrestle. That's like saying you've been training BJJ by learning how to do mount escapes. No. Not even CLOSE.

But don't let that stop you from making up stuff and then countering it. Just slap that pancake on top of your rabbit head and have at it.

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cm81 - 

ausgepicht -

LOL@all the Traditonal Martial Artists....I mean, BJJers upset by this thread. It stinks like spilled kool-aid in this thread. Sell your pajamas and learn to wrestle so you don't look stupid. BJJ is killing the sport noe wrestling. Anyone that has half a brain realizes you need to know how to strike, wrestle and grapple. Leave one out and you are an idiot. The only demographic that is fighting with the other parts are BJJers. Wreslers learn to strike and do BJJ. Strikers learn to wrestle and do BJJ. BJJers only learn to strike. Maybe 1% learns to wrestle. It's a lineage, sensei, and pajama cult and if you take up wrestling you are a Benedict Arnold in their eyes. Stupid. Learn it all. Makes me wonder if people who think this way, didnt think that way, where they would be.

Where would Diaz, Condit, Penn be today if their wrestling was as good? If had unstoppable takedowns and were on top? Demian Maia gets it and look what it's doing for him? He's climbing back up the ranks.

Figure it out you stupid kool-aid heads.

No offense but your argument makes it seem as if we have been transported back to the pure style vs style days of Kerr vs Gurgel.

These days there is no such thing as a pure wrestler to make this kind of comparison. GSP a wrestler? You are aware he is a Gracie Barra black belt and trains with Roger and Braulio are you? Sure his takedowns helped but it was his crushing top game BJJ which helped make his takedowns meaningful once he got on the ground.

I fail to understand your gripe here. Most BJJers I know (myself) included do work wrestling takedowns or have a judo background.

One thing I do agree with you, and have done so for a long time is that BJJ guys tend to crosstrain more in striking than in wrestling, to their detriment. IMO all they should do is work takedowns. It was a shame to watch mat monsters like Maia and Aoki trading blows and not working their bread and butter. Glad Maia is on the right track now.

I never mentioned "pure" anything, but advocated being well rounded INCLUDING BJJ. I also never said GSP was a wrestler. Did you miss Saturday night's fights where Hendricks and GSP used takedowns that couldn't be stopped and helped them win their fights? I am making the point that striking, wrestling, and grappling is MANDATORY in this day and age and you get "style vs style"? Seriously, that is pitiful reading comprehension. Did you miss where I said "LEARN IT ALL." Did you miss where I said "You need to learn how to strike, wrestle and grapple."?

Also if you think learning some wrestling takedowns is learning wrestling you are sadly mistaking and not learning how to wrestle. That's like saying you've been training BJJ by learning how to do mount escapes. No. Not even CLOSE.

But don't let that stop you from making up stuff and then countering it. Just slap that pancake on top of your rabbit head and have at it.

cm81 - 

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cm81 - 

ausgepicht -

LOL@all the Traditonal Martial Artists....I mean, BJJers upset by this thread. It stinks like spilled kool-aid in this thread. Sell your pajamas and learn to wrestle so you don't look stupid. BJJ is killing the sport noe wrestling. Anyone that has half a brain realizes you need to know how to strike, wrestle and grapple. Leave one out and you are an idiot. The only demographic that is fighting with the other parts are BJJers. Wreslers learn to strike and do BJJ. Strikers learn to wrestle and do BJJ. BJJers only learn to strike. Maybe 1% learns to wrestle. It's a lineage, sensei, and pajama cult and if you take up wrestling you are a Benedict Arnold in their eyes. Stupid. Learn it all. Makes me wonder if people who think this way, didnt think that way, where they would be.

Where would Diaz, Condit, Penn be today if their wrestling was as good? If had unstoppable takedowns and were on top? Demian Maia gets it and look what it's doing for him? He's climbing back up the ranks.

Figure it out you stupid kool-aid heads.

No offense but your argument makes it seem as if we have been transported back to the pure style vs style days of Kerr vs Gurgel.

These days there is no such thing as a pure wrestler to make this kind of comparison. GSP a wrestler? You are aware he is a Gracie Barra black belt and trains with Roger and Braulio are you? Sure his takedowns helped but it was his crushing top game BJJ which helped make his takedowns meaningful once he got on the ground.

I fail to understand your gripe here. Most BJJers I know (myself) included do work wrestling takedowns or have a judo background.

One thing I do agree with you, and have done so for a long time is that BJJ guys tend to crosstrain more in striking than in wrestling, to their detriment. IMO all they should do is work takedowns. It was a shame to watch mat monsters like Maia and Aoki trading blows and not working their bread and butter. Glad Maia is on the right track now.

I never mentioned "pure" anything, but advocated being well rounded INCLUDING BJJ. I also never said GSP was a wrestler. Did you miss Saturday night's fights where Hendricks and GSP used takedowns that couldn't be stopped and helped them win their fights? I am making the point that striking, wrestling, and grappling is MANDATORY in this day and age and you get "style vs style"? Seriously, that is pitiful reading comprehension. Did you miss where I said "LEARN IT ALL." Did you miss where I said "You need to learn how to strike, wrestle and grapple."?

Also if you think learning some wrestling takedowns is learning wrestling you are sadly mistaking and not learning how to wrestle. That's like saying you've been training BJJ by learning how to do mount escapes. No. Not even CLOSE.

But don't let that stop you from making up stuff and then countering it. Just slap that pancake on top of your rabbit head and have at it.

Oh calm down you drama princess. I do agree with you on your fundamental points. Readjust your panties and breathe.

I just think you're beating a dead horse here. My point is that it isn't 1999 anymore (both you and I have been around MMA before then) where there really was a "pure" style thing going on.

All MMA guys today work wrestling. You think Condit and Diaz don't? The problem is no matter how much wrestling they do, they are never going to be at the level of Hendricks or GSP.

That said I do and have always conceded that wrestling is the most important aspect of modern 5min rd MMA. Longer rounds may be different but that is not the issue here.

You may possibly have the worst reading comprehension on the site and perhaps the biggest denial of anyone.  I am slagging the attitude of people who are trapped in the mentality that was common during the UFCs. You come on and get your panties in a wad and tell me I am thinking like the early UFCs? I pointed out YOUR error and you spin it and go into this whole denial bit? HAHA! Grow up man. We're all wrong. Just say "My bad. Didn't realize we are discussing the same thing."

As for calming down. Let's say for some odd reason you got my panties in a wad and I was worked up - though it's obvious now that you we're projecting. It's my perogative. I can have my panties bunched up all I want. What are you going to do about it? I'll tell you:

Nothing.

Have a nice day!