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OtherGround Forum >> Would the Germans have been defeated in WW2....
| 12/28/12 5:05 PM | |
Mix6APlix
Member Since: 10/26/03 Posts: 18960 |
If they hadn't started a war with multiple fronts. If they had concentrated their forces, instead of spreading them out, would they still have been defeated? |
| 12/28/12 5:34 PM | |
Uncle Rukus
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NQOTD? 
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| 12/28/12 5:47 PM | |
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Mas Tisu
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I think it is pretty widely held that attacking Russia was a huge blunder on their part. Russian winters are no joke. |
| 12/28/12 5:51 PM | |
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Mix6APlix
Member Since: 10/26/03 Posts: 18974 |
Yes. The Russian campaign was a huge strategic blunder, which is the genesis of this question. The Germans were doing fairly well in Africa, but sending 1000s of troops ill prepared into a Russian winter, while not only thinning your forces, but losing many along the way was a turning point in the war. Had he not done that, would they have been stopped by anything short of a nuclear strike? |
| 12/28/12 5:52 PM | |
ChokeEmOut
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 35316 |
Mix6APlix - If they hadn't started a war with multiple fronts. If they had concentrated their forces, instead of spreading them out, would they still have been defeated?Started the war?
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| 12/28/12 5:54 PM | |
Chimonos Revenge
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I would think they would have been much more difficult for the allies to defeat on the western front if they did not also have the war on the eastern front going on at the same time. Resources spread too thin, and they were still formidable 
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| 12/28/12 5:55 PM | |
Ham and Egger
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I wonder why it is never discussed that Polish Bolsheviks killed 58,000 German farmers in the Danzig corridor and this is what prompted Hitler to invade Poland. Hitler knew Stalin was evil. |
| 12/28/12 5:56 PM | |
MickColins
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Yes. It comes down to resources and the Allies had way more. One thing to remember: Rubber. You need Rubber to make tanks and other vehicles. By the end of the war, the US and UK controlled like 95% of the world's rubber supply. |
| 12/28/12 5:59 PM | |
BRZ
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Yeah Germany made a mistake trying to go into Russia. Hitler was hoping the Russians people would turn against Stalin which obviously didn't happen. I still think the Germans would have loss the war, but would have taken the Brits and USA longer to do it.
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| 12/28/12 6:00 PM | |
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yellow's Overseer
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They would have been significantly harder to defeat. The war probably would have gone into the 50s, honestly.
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| 12/28/12 6:00 PM | |
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effinggoof
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Mix6APlix - Yes. The Russian campaign was a huge strategic blunder, which is the genesis of this question. The Germans were doing fairly well in Africa, but sending 1000s of troops ill prepared into a Russian winter, while not only thinning your forces, but losing many along the way was a turning point in the war. Had he not done that, would they have been stopped by anything short of a nuclear strike? The thing about The Eastern Front is that with the politics between Hitler and Stalin, it's difficult to come up with a scenario where Germany and Russia don't end up at war. |
| 12/28/12 6:04 PM | |
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seg
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If Japan would have invaded India instead of attacking the U.S., and if Germany would have attacked Russia, and ignored North Africa and Greece, they would have met in Iran and had all the oil in the world to themselves. America would not have gotten involved if not directly attacked, and thus Germany and Japan would have been victorious. |
| 12/28/12 6:05 PM | |
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BigTedBear
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There are so many factors the rubber thing is true but oil was the turning point they were still using oil from coal. You should read some books on the subject if you want an interesting listen you should check out Dan Carlin Hardcore History he did a four part episode on the Russian front which is very good. Also check out History of WW2 podcast.
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| 12/28/12 6:07 PM | |
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1chaino
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Thatsjustlikeyouropinionman -Maybe, maybe not. If the Danzig slaughter never happened maybe he would have been content with just unifying the Rhineland and bringing Austria on board. Either way he was going west no doubt.Ham and Egger - I wonder why it is never discussed that Polish Bolsheviks killed 58,000 German farmers in the Danzig corridor and this is what prompted Hitler to invade Poland.Oh please. Hitler was going to invade regardless.
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| 12/28/12 6:08 PM | |
johnonguitar7
Member Since: 6/6/12 Posts: 804 |
Just like Napolean, after the Jesuit controlled Papacy had completed the purge of those you would plot against them, they send the young patriots into the frozen wastelands of Russia to die
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| 12/28/12 6:11 PM | |
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Chimonos Revenge
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Thatsjustlikeyouropinionman - At the end of the day, America would win every time just because they came up with the bomb.Actually the Germans came up with it
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| 12/28/12 6:12 PM | |
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DKielbasa
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Ham and Egger - I wonder why it is never discussed that Polish Bolsheviks killed 58,000 German farmers in the Danzig corridor and this is what prompted Hitler to invade Poland. By Polish Bolsheviks do u mean Polish Jews? |
| 12/28/12 6:15 PM | |
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gord96
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| 12/28/12 6:19 PM | |
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WelshWarrior
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if he took over european countries only and kept alliance with russia instead of invading. would of been hard to have stopped him. germany would of likely had atom bomb on par with US.
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| 12/28/12 6:22 PM | |
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gord96
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Another thing to consider is what if Germany would have won the Battle of Britain? That was a huge turning point that pretty much crippled the Luftwaffe. |
| 12/28/12 6:24 PM | |
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DKielbasa
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http://servv89pn0aj.sn.sourcedns.com/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/Broomberg.htm |
| 12/28/12 6:31 PM | |
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Ham and Egger
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DKielbasa -Ham and Egger - I wonder why it is never discussed that Polish Bolsheviks killed 58,000 German farmers in the Danzig corridor and this is what prompted Hitler to invade Poland. Yeah they were Jews. They were led by Ladovitch, Karpinski and Weis, three members of the Bolshevik party which was founded by Lennin. "Bromberg Bloody Sunday" On one day alone - Polish Jews, under the protection of the Polish Army, attack a small German town and viciously kill 5500 Germans. Polish Jews were confident they would win against Germany and went on a rampage of ' Blood Lust ' that was unmatched. Groups of Bolsheviks attacked from Ponz, Lotz and Warsaw approached the town and started killing the farmers on the outskirts. Children were nailed to barns, women were raped and hacked to death with axes, men were executed where they stood. "Poland wants war with Germany and Germany will not be able to avoid it even if she wants to."-Polish Marshal Rydz-Smigly I just wonder why no one ever talks about this stuff. |
| 12/28/12 7:02 PM | |
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BaldTony
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Ham and Egger - I wonder why it is never discussed that Polish Bolsheviks killed 58,000 German farmers in the Danzig corridor and this is what prompted Hitler to invade Poland. If only Hitler wrote some sort of book explaining in detail what he wanted to do with regards to expansion eastward. Oh, wait a moment |
| 12/28/12 7:03 PM | |
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Ham and Egger
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SPIDERHLUK - you're an idiot, and probably a white supremacist. the bromberg bloody sunday is an entirely different event. what you're talking about, "polish bolsheviks killing aryans" is a hitlerite justification of invading poland, because even germans who supported hitler would have not been super stoked about being the country that starts wars of aggression. No need to call names. Try not to be so sensitive friend. We are all just having a discussion here. I realize its a touchy subject. I know the difference between the killings that took place on one day and the killings that took place over a period of time. I was simply listing them and allowing people to research it on their own. I didnt write any of the articles. I also read Polish accounts of German soldiers dressed in Polish uniforms. Whos to know if that actually happened? I brought it up because its never discussed due to people who cant openly talk about things with acting out. |
| 12/28/12 7:05 PM | |
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ChokeEmOut
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 35319 |
Ham and Egger - I wonder why it is never discussed that Polish Bolsheviks killed 58,000 German farmers in the Danzig corridor and this is what prompted Hitler to invade Poland. No, besides that notice how only Germany invaded Poland yet apparently Russia didn't invade at the same time as allies of Germany. lol Gotta love history protecting Communist butchers. |
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