UnderGround Forum >> donald hoover(fraud)

Ronin_jutsuka - I am not going to say anything against him, but I do find it interesting he has been bouncing between ammy and pro.

There could be a logical explanation for this though, it could be something as simple as a state still has him listed as an amateur and another has him listed as a pro. It could be that Kirik has entered in some of his fights incorrectly. It could be that there are two people with the same name in the same weight class, causing the commission(s) to get confused as who is fighting (I would be pissed if I was the fighter not getting credit for fights).

If he is bouncing back and forth, that is a pretty shady thing to do (I thought that wasn't allowed).

Isnt it highly illegal to go from ammy to pro and back to ammy? As in promoters AND fighters will lose their liscenses?

illini89i - Hey boulder40, did he do something recently? Why bring this up now?
Also, when you fighting again bro?

I had a friend from indiana who came and stayed with me in europe years ago, hed received some money as an ammy so couldnt fight in indiana, but was fighting in a couple of other states as an ammy, before he went pro.. seems funny my friend couldnt fight in Indiana as an ammy because hed received some money from sales or something and this guy could...

I also know another fighter who had three amateur fights turned pro on his record by a boxing licensing board in exchange for refing an event when they were stuck back in the day.. but taht wasnt indiana

Fabes - He's been a fraud for years.

boulder40 - For those that didn't know: here is a list of all of Donald Hoover's "fights" in Chronological fight order:
(a)= Ammy
(P)pro...
check out the flip flopping
10/14/2006 Donald Hoover makes his Mma debut fighting not once but twice in the same night:

10/14/2006
W/vs. James Adams(a)
10/14/2006
L/vs. Ricky duncan(a)
12/11/2006
W/vs. William Wilcox (Pro)
01/16/2007
W/vs. Arthur brooks(a)
02/13/2007
W/vs. Chris hubbard(p)
03/20/2007
W/vs. Dustin dennison(p)
11/10/2007
W/vs. Dustin dennison(a)
YES THAT'S RIGHT HE FOUGHT THE SAME GUY TWICE ONCE FOR MONEY AND A SECOND TIME FOR FREE...I'd like to point out that both ended the same way and in the exact same time as well(weird)
03/16/2008
W/vs. James sizemore(a)
05/03/2008
W/vs. Zach smith(a)
07/21/2008
W/vs. abner contreras (a)
08/03/2008
W/vs. James Ellis (p)
09/13/2008
W/vs. brad kelly(p)
09/26/2008
L/vs. Anthony waldridge(p)
All of thes fights with the exception of 2 happened on Indiana ring rumble shows(which Hoover was the promoter or co promoter of. The 2 that didn't were urban gladiators(which was his show) and the lfc(which he was matchmaking for at the time)... I know at least one of these fights didn't happen because I fought on a card the same night in Muncie and he was there.
Now some of you on here might say this is fighter bashing, but i assure you it isnt. in order to be fighter bashing i would have to be talking about a fighter....this guy is about as much of a fighter as i am a lightweight. yes did fight once in an ammy show here in indy back in like o5-06 and got beat pretty easily. he even went as far as to have a 17-3 shirt made at one time

tylerthebear -

Fabes - He's been a fraud for years.

I liked it when he said he got his black belt from Gurgel because he subbed Jorge in a minute :).

Fabes -

tylerthebear -

Fabes - He's been a fraud for years.

I liked it when he said he got his black belt from Gurgel because he subbed Jorge in a minute :).

That seems totally reasonable.

lol

baby-silverback - Boulder, who are you?

Sherdog shows him as 3-0 as a pro, and 6-2-1 as an ammy, and doesn't show him bouncing back and forth. 

EDIT

Whoops, sherdog does show him bouncing back and forth between pro and ammy.

mmaguy30 - IN

baby-silverback - You close to Indiana too ttb?

Yeah that's Jimmy.