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From: BigWilliam 257 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/26/08 10:07 AM
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They have unwritten rules as well as the written ones. And by the unwritten rules of the IOC combat sports are bad. They are not adding new ones and trying to get ride of the ones they have. They have to make room for another rythmic synchronized gymnastic swimming team event you know.

From: fhk2 Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/26/08 10:11 AM
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Do you know how much money tournament organizers will lose if BJJ becomes and Olympic sport?

Judo Tournments are non profit and organized.

From: thaiboxer92 7 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/26/08 12:02 PM
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12 - bjj no,submission wrestling will get a shot .


sub grappling will have the best shot theirs so many people that train without a gi now adays. if it does happen it wont be for many years

From: The Popeye 505 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/26/08 12:07 PM
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No way, not enough action for the average idiot who doesnt understand the sport. Even if it did oyu can bet that in the US it would get the same coverage as Judo and wrestling IE 10 min at 1am following 45 min of sailboat racing!

From: SubSition Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/26/08 12:36 PM
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Kneeblock,

I share the same sentiments my friend. Doesn't make any sense to me. however, those are "sports" that you can watch and understand almost right away, whereas we're seeing the Grappling game from an educated eye where most folks would not.


fhk2,

I think you may have hit the nail on the head right there! it all boils down to greed on the part of many of the practitioners and promoters of the sport. If anyone cared as much about the sharing of the sport as Kano did with Judo, people would be putting on free events as Kano did. Instead, they all want the quick buck. until the greed factor is extinguished, I think that the sport will struggle.


This is one of the best threads that I have ever seen on here. nice job pigpen.

From: gorillagrappling Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/26/08 12:36 PM
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^^^ Yeah, my friends were at the worlds team trials last year in Vegas. It was when the USA Grappling nationals was being held in the same gym and even my wrestler friends said they were so bored watching it. Now that is saying something. When wrestlers are bored you know it is boring. I love it and could watch it all day, but it is unlike the good spectator sports in terms of excitement.

From: pigpen 6 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/26/08 5:58 PM
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waveman - I heard 2016.
where did you hear that?

From: Killer Rob Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/26/08 8:29 PM
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ttt

good info on this thread

From: CptCrunch Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/26/08 8:56 PM
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BJJ = no because of it's name. "Brazilian" Jiu-Jitsu. According to the IOC no sport can be included in the games that bears the name of a country.

Change the name = maybe

Submission Grappling = eventually yes

From: Dexter Morgan Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/26/08 11:51 PM
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The most important question the IOC will ask is "How many countries have a national team?"

By this specific definition of popularity, soccer is always ranked number one.

So in the case of bjj; how many countries have a National team?

The answer is probably only a handful. Nowhere near enough to even dream about being in the Olympics.

From: Ryan Wood 58 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/27/08 12:39 AM
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I think that we'll see submission wrestling as a demonstration sport eventually but I'm not sure about its chances of ever becoming a full fledged event.

From: qoelet Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/27/08 3:17 AM
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xkmasada - 
evomma - if BJJ became an olympic sport it would have to be called something else... a sport can not be an olympic event if it contains a reference to a particular country, eg: muay thai, or brazilian jiu jitsu...submission wrestling or kick boxing would be ok....


And what about Greco-Roman wrestling?


"Greco-Roman" is not a reference to the sport's place of origin (Greco-Roman rules were created by a Frenchman, and there is no evidence that the Greeks to whom the name refers wrestled according to anything like those rules) but rather to the Classical, thus "Greco-Roman", virtues the sport was intended to instill in athletes. It's like "Classical Music", which is named for Greek and Roman aesthetics: people wrote it in many different countries, the reference to the Greeks was merely symbolic.

From: evomma Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/27/08 5:51 AM
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xkmasada - 
evomma - if BJJ became an olympic sport it would have to be called something else... a sport can not be an olympic event if it contains a reference to a particular country, eg: muay thai, or brazilian jiu jitsu...submission wrestling or kick boxing would be ok....


And what about Greco-Roman wrestling?
hey, i don't make the rules!!! LOL!!  i think greco-roman retains it's name because it was like one of the first events in the games....i believe that all NEW events must be non-country specific....
 

From: USA Grappling Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/27/08 6:36 AM
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In reference to FILA Grappling....yes there are a large group of "No-Gi" grappplers that are not happy with the FILA ruleset . FILA has to look at the big picture and outside of the US and Brazil, BJJ is not as widespread and different regions of their world have their "grappling" type style. This quote was taken from an article on the USA Wrestling website that was written the other day....

"FILA, the international wrestling federation, recognized Grappling as a form of international wrestling last year. In the last year, the FILA World Grappling Committee has grown tremendously, going from a dozen recognized national federations to 55 active grappling nations. This growth will undoubtedly make this year’s World Championships a much more exciting and competitive event. Teams from Brazil, Japan, France and Great Britain are expected to be strong competition for the U.S. squad."

55 nations is a big accomplishment in less than 2 years. Granted they wont field full teams or all participate (mainly due to financial reasons) at the World Championships but it shows that there is a GLOBAL interest in FILA Grappling.

There is no recognized governing body for BJJ.....CBJJ may be the most widely known but they are not set up to be a governing body, they are a business set up for profit.

From: Tooler Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/27/08 7:21 AM
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I was a Manager for the Wrestling and Judo at the Sydney Games and I can say with confidence BJJ will never get in.

Wrestling is being cut due to the number of females involved in the sport. Judo does not have that problem.

According the Judo Fed it is the number 2 most popular sport in the world. No shit, the Technical Delegate at the time told me that to my face, second only to football(soccer) he also said after DOUILLET won the super heavy that now France was the worlds best judo country. He of course was French :-)

The Judo federation is a true federation, broken into 5 different unions, and many many countries under that, they will always be a part of the Olympics due to this, there wide ranging demography and their popularity.

BJJ is just too young, and at this point can you really call the Mundial as a true World Championships? Where are the qualifiers? are the Ref's accredited? By who? The sport is too immature at the moment and needs to have a strong federation to begin with, at this point in time they don't even have that, Mundials or World Cup?

Wrestling may get further cut down, but Judo won't, they have gender parity, they have 5 viable contents, they have great Television appeal, even the layman can appreciate a big throw. Can you really see the IOC adding another "jacketed wrestling" when they are trying to cut down Wrestling and already have Judo?

Not in the near future that's for sure, ever...even that is doubtful.

From: JSho 301 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/27/08 8:42 AM
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From judoforum:

 Ok. According to the statistics of the French National Institute of Statistics and Economic Studies these are the most popular sports BY NUMBER OF REGISTERED PLAYERS (Another completely different thing is the media coverage these sports get)

1. Federation francaise de football (soccer, of course) 2 066 339
2. F. f. de tennis 1 067 755
3. F. f. de judo et disciplines association (includes jiu jitsu and Aikido) 576 607
4. F. f. d'equitation (horseback riding) 452 585
5. F. f. de basket (basketball) 426 751
6. F. f. de petanque et jeu provencale (not bowling) 419 936
7. F. f. de golf 325 229
8. F. f. de handball 318 895
9. F. f. de voile (sailing) 276 644
10.F. f. de rugby 252 807

From: DMReb171 Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/27/08 9:46 AM
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From what I hear that is the IBJJF’s ultimate goal. BJJ has a chance in the long run, but not right now. It isn’t as popular or well organized as most Olympic sports. My biggest beef is way competitions are run. At this point most BJJ competitions are small poorly run tournaments held so a promoter can make a buck. The best example I can see is the Worlds.

The fact is the Mundials is just a regular tournament that is held for profit. There are no qualifying tournaments required to go. Any Tom, Dick or Hairy can go as long as they pay the outrageous entrance fee. It blows my mind when I think about the way other sports are run.

Also from what I have seen the Olympics is dropping sports like bad habits. Softball, Ruby and Cricket were all recently dropped. And I from what I hear Greco is on its way out as well. It’s a damned shame IMO. But dropping these sports might make room for others.

As I said BJJ does have a chance in the long run. The sports biggest asset is its international appeal. There are good competitors in the USA, Brazil, Japan, all over Europe and Australia. The reason softball was dropped was because it is mostly an American sport. Give BJJ some time and we may see it as an Olympic sport.

What I think is most interesting is we are starting to see a divide between BJJ with the gi and no gi Submission Grappling. At this point FILA (the international governing body that organizes Greco Roman and Freestyle Wrestling) as adopted Submission grappling as a sport. Also we are starting to see The IBJJF have less and less no gi events. The Pan Ams didn’t even have no gi this year.

I think with the rise of MMA, no gi is taking off in popularity. Maybe I am wrong, but the no gi divisions at events like NAGA and GQ are starting to have more and more competitors. Conversely, I don’t think MMA has bolstered the popularity of BJJ as much.

With guys like Eddie Bravo telling people not to wear the gi it’s a tough sell. Also, I think it’s the simple fact that we don’t see Gi’s in the UFC. I think its human nature to emulate what we see on TV. So you can notice a rise in shaved heads and tattoos at grappling tournaments, but I don’t see a lot of guys rocking the gi.

That’s not to say BJJ hasn’t grown over the past 5-10 years. I feel BJJ has as a cult following. It has its own stars now. Guys like Galvao, Drysdale, Jacare and Garcia are fast becoming youtube sensations. Anybody who has seen the video of Galvao break dancing on that guys back can agree.

Thoughts?...

From: schecterguitar50 Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/27/08 9:56 AM
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TTT for later.

From: gorillagrappling Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/27/08 10:06 AM
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"Wrestling is being cut due to the number of females involved in the sport. Judo does not have that problem."

"Wrestling may get further cut down"

"they are trying to cut down Wrestling"


Tooler. You sound pretty smart and if what you say is true you probably know some stuff most don't. Question is this. Which is it? Are they cutting it, may they cut it or are they trying to cut it? Why the hell are you so all over the road about the future of wrestling? Wrestling is not going anywhere. Wrestling is as much as a staple in the Olympics as those five rings.

From: JSho 301 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/27/08 10:11 AM
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 Softball, Ruby and Cricket were all recently dropped

Cricket was only in the 1900 games, Rugby was dropped after 1924. Interesting concept of 'recent'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_Olympic_Games#List_of_Olympic_sports

From: DMReb171 Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/27/08 10:29 AM
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JSho -  Softball, Ruby and Cricket were all recently dropped

Cricket was only in the 1900 games, Rugby was dropped after 1924. Interesting concept of 'recent'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_Olympic_Games#List_of_Olympic_sports



I was quoting "real Sports" on HBO... I should have done some more fact checking.

P.S.- When did wikipedia become the end all say all of fact checking?

From: gorillagrappling Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/27/08 10:42 AM
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^^^^ As soon as you could enter your own facts and pass them on as facts. LOL.

From: JSho 301 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
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 well i knew they hadn't been in since i had been watching the olympics (1984).

The olympics site itself is less detailed on the matter: http://www.olympic.org/uk/sports/past/index_uk.asp
 


From: jujigatame1981 Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 10/4/09 8:32 AM
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Renzo is working on bjj in the olyimpics, thats the word on the street.

From: laqueus Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 10/8/09 12:10 PM
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BJJ would have to water down black belt standards.

Count the number of countries with black belts, see if that's even enough to get in.

Grappling has a much better chance of getting in, because all the people who got bumped from G-R wrestling being dropped will be able to transition, and their prior experience will apply well. It'd do that with BJJ too, but the ranking issue would hold it back, unless they want to allow blue belts to compete in the olympics.

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