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From: JerodR 81 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 12/8/09 9:03 PM
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Regardless of the shoulder, how is a deaf man that now has blood pouring into both of his eyes supposed to fight?

Although Jones had a dominant position he was not really landing a great deal of shots. Most of them were blocked, that is until the illegal elbows (and it was not 1 accidental shot either...more like 3 even after the warning). When that happened it caused some pretty serious cuts and filling Hamill's eyes with blood. Obviously at that point his vision is a problem and he cannot defend himself. That is grounds to stop a fight right there when there are no illegal shots. However, in this case the shots that stopped the fight were illegal. Matt would have continued with a broken or bad shoulder...make no mistake.

Jones has a great attitude and seems like a stand up guy. However, making a deaf man blind and expecting that he could continue at that point is kind of nuts. How is a deaf and now blind man supposed to fight?...injured shoulder or not.

Jones takes risks such as his spinning back fists/elbows that came very close to hitting Bonnar in the back of the head. He was skating a fine line in that match as well. Now with the illegal elbows. Like it or not he broke the rules. Who should get a bonus, or reward for breaking the rules? Maybe next someone can have a hurt or broken arm so their opponent can kick them square in the nuts and just say...but his arm is what stopped the fight, not the fact that his testicle is in the 5th row.

Sorry but Jones is a great fighter and will be back. Fighting this will only lose him fans and cost him in the long run. Although the shots were illegal he had won many people over with his humble attitude about the situation. Trying to get the decision changed like this will not help him...just ask BJ.

From: Ponyboy 14 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 12/8/09 9:49 PM
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He threw 4 illegal elbows.

Two were outside Hamill's arms and two landed because they were inside.

From: sillypants Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 12/8/09 10:20 PM
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He used an illegal move that caused the fight to be stopped. End of story.

This is as bad as BJ and grease-gate.

From: Frills 20 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 12/8/09 10:29 PM
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might as well appeal, worst they can say is "no"

From: ocbadapple Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 12/8/09 10:45 PM
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he clearly broke the rules

From: Leghound 217 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 12/9/09 12:07 AM
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Crazy Zimmerman -  I think a key point that a lot of people might be missing is the fact that the illegal blows are NOT what stopped the fight. 


LOL. Matt lay there and took the blows pre-illegal blows, even though his shoulder was f'ed. The ONLY time Mazz stepped in was when Bones thru the 12-6 elbows, not before when Bones was in the mount throwing other (many blocked/off target) blows, and even though Bones tried to plead his case to Mazz he let the fight go on. It was clear to anyone watching that there were multiple illegal elbows thrown, and those led to the ref stepping in.

FWIW I can't stand Matt Hamill and can in no way/shape/form be considered a fan of his.

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Posted: 12/9/09 12:29 AM
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From: the_sandman Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 12/9/09 7:39 AM
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I fully support Jones. I feel that fight should have been stopped a full minute earlier than the illegal blows were thrown. I feel this is a ref failure in the sense that there is absolutely no consistency in how long strikes can be delivered on the ground before I fight was stopped.

If this fight was taken as the standard then we might as well invalidate all of Lindland's wins, and many others would be in the same boat.

Jones deserves consideration, he had a perfect record and completely controlled this fight from the opening bell.

From: Zeke Dynasty Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 12/9/09 8:23 AM
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this thread is going to go on forever, the JONES camp just keeps saying "it wasn't the elbows, it was the shoulder" and the rules, ref, and sensible people who watched the fight keep directing them to the facts and the clear-cut evidence to no avail. it's mind-numbing.

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Posted: 12/9/09 9:27 AM
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"That was some of the dirtiest stuff I've seen in years he deserves the loss. "


Here's a little toilet paper to clean your face off once you pull your head out of your ass.

From: noqueada Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 12/9/09 9:29 AM
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"this thread is going to go on forever, the JONES camp just keeps saying "it wasn't the elbows, it was the shoulder" and the rules, ref, and sensible people who watched the fight keep directing them to the facts and the clear-cut evidence to no avail. it's mind-numbing. "

STFU noob, you're just pissed cause your TUF superhero got his ass handed to him. Maz f-ed up by not giving the fighter a chance to respond properly and any one who actually watched the fight saw that Hamill grabbed his shoulder and looked to be saying something to Maz as Maz was stopping the fight. If nothing else it warranted Maz's attention that he was holding his shoulder and couldn't get up.

From: Altofsky 633 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 12/9/09 9:30 AM
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 "The illegal blows ARE what stopped the fight."

Funny, the fighter who got his ass beat is singing a completely different tune. I'll take his word over yours.

From: Altofsky 633 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 12/9/09 9:43 AM
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I just rewatched the ending. You can't argue that Mazz didn't fuck up at the end of that fight. He asked a deaf man "You done? You done?" and waved the fight off. Even if he assumed that Matt was able to read lips, the man had blood in his eyes.

Not to mention, he didn't even issue a warning to Jones. It was an immediate point deduction. "THAT'S AN ILLEGAL ELBOW, JON! STOP! STOP!" and raises his finger to deduct a point immediately.
 

From: DaddyRich 88 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 12/9/09 9:44 AM
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Matt had no way to intelligently respond to Mazz asking him if he could continue. I don't know why that's so hard for people to understand.

From: Naughty Gorilla Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 12/9/09 9:50 AM
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Gay ass rule. Doesn't deserve the L

From: BengalTiger369 Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 12/9/09 10:00 AM
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It has to be a NC. Hammill clearly couldn't continue due to the broken shoulder and not because of the illegal blows, this DQ makes absolutely no sense.

From: Zeke Dynasty Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 12/9/09 10:41 AM
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see what i'm saying? endless nonsense.

From: DaddyRich 88 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 12/9/09 11:34 AM
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Which part of Jon's elbow caused a deaf man with blood in his eyes to not hear and respond to a verbal question?

From: goku Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 12/9/09 12:56 PM
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do you guys not have the ability to read?

here is the relevant rule:

"If the referee determines that a contest or exhibition may not continue because of an injury caused by an intentional foul, the unarmed combatant who committed the intentional foul loses by disqualification."

ok, so stop twisting things and rationalizing things and apply this rule directly to what happened and tell me what makes more sense:

1. Matt Hammill could not continue because of the shoulder injuriy he sustained from legal acts during the fight.

2. Matt Hammill could not continue because of the ____ injury he sustained from the illegal elbows.

On what planet can you make #2 make any sense?

From: jjj2121 Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 12/9/09 1:01 PM
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goku - do you guys not have the ability to read?

here is the relevant rule:

"If the referee determines that a contest or exhibition may not continue because of an injury caused by an intentional foul, the unarmed combatant who committed the intentional foul loses by disqualification."

ok, so stop twisting things and rationalizing things and apply this rule directly to what happened and tell me what makes more sense:

1. Matt Hammill could not continue because of the shoulder injuriy he sustained from legal acts during the fight.

2. Matt Hammill could not continue because of the ____ injury he sustained from the illegal elbows.

On what planet can you make #2 make any sense?


Fact that he was knocked stupid can be your second blank...just get rid of the word injury. If those elbows were legal, it was a TKO win for Jones. They were not, Hamill was knocked stupid, it is a DQ win for Hamill. Case closed and The Garv and Jones management teams opinion have zero impact on me, they are not unbiased observers.

From: droplogic Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 12/9/09 1:08 PM
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Magnetic - Let's be clear, Jon is not "unhappy" he feels as all things happen for a reason. We are protesting the L because we felt that Jon's opponent could not effectively communicate why he could not continue.

The rules state that an intentional foul and that the fighter cannot continue based on injury sustained from the foul. Hamill could not contnue due to a broken shoulder.

Jon should have been deducted a point for the accidental illegal blow. Matt should have been treated like we treat the Brazilians and given 5 minutes to regroup and offered a translator so the ref could make the right call and understand Matt could not continue due to his shoulder injury not the blow.

This should be a NC for both fighters but not a loss. Hammil continued with an injured Shoulder and only complained once the action was stopped (warrior) but the fight was stopped based on the shoulder injury in our opinion.
Completely 100% agree.  And even if the loss isn't removed I will always consider that a win.  Afaic Jones is still an undefeated fighter.
 

From: goku Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 12/9/09 1:15 PM
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"Fact that he was knocked stupid can be your second blank...just get rid of the word injury. If those elbows were legal, it was a TKO win for Jones. They were not, Hamill was knocked stupid, it is a DQ win for Hamill. Case closed and The Garv and Jones management teams opinion have zero impact on me, they are not unbiased observers."

umm but thats clearly not what made matt unable to continue..right after the fight was stopped you could see matt kicking up his legs trying to get up..then he holds his shoulder...the correct and only answer is that matt could not continue because of his shoulder injury...

From: bowlingotter Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 12/9/09 1:20 PM
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I don't see what the point is... the DQ loss won't be overturned, and even if it is, why? To preserve an undefeated record? The brass all saw that Jones dominated Hamill regardless of the official fight outcome so he'd still get a top opponent in his next matchup.

From: mtnvalensi Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 12/9/09 1:27 PM
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The cheek of some people....He should be glad it's only a loss on his record. Them ILLEGAL elbows could of blinded Matt

From: knocka 1 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 12/9/09 1:35 PM
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humphrey sphinctermuscle - 
Crazy Zimmerman -  I can see why he'd want to protest though.  It's an option available to him and the loss does hurt, so it makes sense.

lol tell BJ penn that.

sometimes it's bed to just take your medicine and shut up


that's how I saw it. Good luck to Jon.

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