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From: Squatdog Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 10/5/11 9:32 PM
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His amateur boxing record? Peter Welsh told me a few years ago what DW's record was. I told you. You said it was a lie=) See how we got to today? You need to go to Boston, visit the gym, talk to Peter and some of the guys DW used to train with. They are still there=)


LOL...a personal friend of Dana White as an unbiased source of information? Show me the actual documented record from the New England or Nevada Amateur Boxing associations.

Once again, it's all a shell game revolving around personal friends and business associates of Dana White who have a vested interest in promoting his claims.

What else have you called him a liar for? I wanna make sure you get to touch base with folks involved so ALLLLL of your questions can be answered... and you finally have some proof to share instead of your stale ass played out opinion.


That Dana White got the UFC sanctioned in New Jersey.

I'm DYING to hear your explanation for this. Maybe I could be introduced to someone who will tell me that ZUFFA actually DID get the UFC sanctioned in New Jersey and Bob Meryowitz is a filthy liar.

If they say so, that must mean it's true!

From: Squatdog Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 10/5/11 9:34 PM
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Magnum TA - 
kevinn46 - 
CindyO - Peter Welsh told me a few years ago what DW's record was. I told you. You said it was a lie=) See how we got to today? You need to go to Boston, visit the gym, talk to Peter and some of the guys DW used to train with. They are still there=)
Yo Cindy, what was his record? I'm actually pretty curious about that.

Also, I'm an amateur fighter looking to turn pro in two years. Could you help pass along a few questions to Dana White? I can PM them.

Thanks
Dana claims his amateur record was 13-4
 


According to the 1997 Las Vegas Review article, he was actually 33-10.

Whoops!

From: CindyO Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 10/5/11 9:34 PM
Edited: 10/17/11 2:42 AM
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cab - SQUATDOG and CindyO,

Could you both please tell us what the questions / assumptions are that DW wants straightened out?

Correct me please if I'm wrong, but there seem to be five argument points:

- DW was originally against a reality show. *** true. Proven true by DW in text and video?


Yep, he was against A reality show because they were working to try and get a weekly FIGHT show. DW nor the brothers wanted a reality show over a fight show and they met with numerous networks trying to get one and every door was slammed in their faces, essentially.

Craig P was the creator and Exec Producer of American Casino (Frank's and Lorenzo's reality show). When the series was coming to a close HE discussed another reality show with DW & the bros. HE suggested something like American Promoter- Zuffa needed a way to get the UFC on TV and Spike or any other network wouldn't give them a weekly fight show (Friday Night Fights, IIRC). They thought the UFC was too violent for TV.

DW did NOT want to do AP and continued to pursue the possibility of a fight show. Bottom line, unless they came up with of something else, AP was going to be their only option and Spike gave the nod for it. DW brought his crew together one night at 8pm and they worked all night trying to develop another reality show concept and at 4am the next morning, The Ultimate Fighter was born. Spike bought off on their trojan horse to get the UFC in peoples homes and the rest is history.

DW didn't want a reality show- he hated them- said he didn't watch them, but when he found out it was their only option he had no choice. It had NOTHING to do w/him not wanting it and the bros did so they did it anyway. Even Lorenzo LOLs at how people try to misconstrue that clip but a member of the media has NEVER asked ANY of them for clarity because they either already know the story or they don't care.

- DW was a boxercise instructor. *** true?

Yes, was that was ever in dispute? He actually loved doing it.

- DW had an amateur boxing fight. *** false?

Nope, its true. Peter told me his record was 13-3 not 13-4 like DW had mentioned in the past. Squat needs to go to the gym in Boston, look at old pics, talk to the trainers still doing their thing and ask all of the questions he wants.

- DW left Boston because he was being harassed/threatened by thugs. *** true/false? I don't think this can ever be proven either way.

It's true and Squatdog can ask Bill Weeks about it. He was part of Whitey's organization who ended up being the guy that testified against him. He is still in South Boston and DW will take SD there.

- DW had a tough upbringing. ** false? very subjective question, but I agree if he went to a private school his childhood wasn't financially tough, for that period anyway.


DW went to a private school for 18 months of his life. He wasn't spoiled, his parents didn't come from money and as soon as he and his sister were old enough to not need a sitter they were home alone (he was maybe 10-11) unless some of his moms relatives were having problems and in need of shelter. That happened often.

All in all, mountain out of a molehill, but I can understand DW being upset if SD was being libellous.



 Cindy 

From: Bat21 62 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 10/5/11 9:37 PM
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MonsterBalls - 
ZIPPY -  Summary - Squatdog pussed out and isn't taking the trip ???????????????????


He never agreed to that trip so he's not pussing out of anything.

MB, I'm usually in agreement with you on most things, but I think you're missing the point here. Tucky McTuckerton aka Squatdog talked a ton of shit directed at DFW from (allegedly) the safety of his keyboard in NZ, calling him, among other things, a liar.

AFAIAC, this is the same thing as Squattuck walking into a bar, and directing a bunch of shit at another patron, calling him a liar about the things he says, and pretty much putting him on the spot.

Said patron takes umbrage with what Squattuck has to say, and suggests that he come down to said patron's gym tomorrow to settle the matter. Squattuck, displaying a massive amount of cowardice, swiftly tucks his dick between his legs and refuses the offer.

In my mind, that's a massive dick-tuck, and so it is in this scenario. Fuck that shit that he didn't agree to anything. He shouldn't be writing cheques with his mouth (or fingers) that his ass can't  - or won't - cash.



From: Dirtyu D 62 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 10/5/11 9:40 PM
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CindyO - Nope, its true. Peter told me his record was 15-3 not 15-4 like DW had mentioned in the past. Squat needs to go to the gym in Boston, look at old pics, talk to the trainers still doing their thing and ask all of the questions he wants.



Does that really strike you as reliable evidence?

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Posted: 10/5/11 9:41 PM
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I hope Squatdog didn't succumb to the trickery.

It's more valuable to remain in the shadows and fight the good fight.

From: CindyO Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 10/5/11 9:43 PM
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seg - This is just Dana's way of bringing the UFC to New Zealand.  Dude is always thinking about global marketing.

Squat will probably be a coach of the next season of TUF, teaching the power shot.

 VTFU!!! LOL

Cindy

From: CindyO Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 10/5/11 9:45 PM
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kevinn46 - 
CindyO - Peter Welsh told me a few years ago what DW's record was. I told you. You said it was a lie=) See how we got to today? You need to go to Boston, visit the gym, talk to Peter and some of the guys DW used to train with. They are still there=)
Yo Cindy, what was his record? I'm actually pretty curious about that.

Also, I'm an amateur fighter looking to turn pro in two years. Could you help pass along a few questions to Dana White? I can PM them.

Thanks

 Peter Welsh said it was 13-3. Sure, PM them to me and I'll pass them along.

Cindy
 

From: Bat21 62 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 10/5/11 9:49 PM
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Squatdog - 
CindyO - 
Madmuzzy - So is donald Tuck going to take dana up on his invitation?

 We'll see. His only onjection last night was that he assumed DW would exploit him on a vlog but DW has no intention of filming it so Squatdog should no longer have a reason not to go. Its a once in a lifetime thing but I'm sure he'll pass- now that I have read about the trolling he has been doing for years on this thread;)

The guy has an orgasm every time someone posts about DW in a manner that calls for the re-re-re-reposting of the TUF clip so his screen is probably a nasty mess right about now, considering the DW topics the past few days. Let's wait til he hits it with some Windex so he can actually read the new posts added and then see what he has to say. Perhaps Squatdog has had a change of heart;)

Cindy


If he could have refuted any of the facts I presented, he would have done it already in one of his immense library of Vlogs or an interview. It's been a good five years or so and they have all been covered many times over. Hell, there was a monster thread a year or two ago regarding Dana White's alleged Amateur Boxing career (the only 'evidence' found was that he was registered as a cornerman/coach but not as an actual boxer).

If he REALLY wanted to comprehensively end the speculation once and for all, he would get a qualified journalist to confirm his claims. Even an MMA journalist would do.

Even if I did fly out from New Zealand(!), how would being harangued by Dana White and introduced to a selection of his cronies in a city I know little about prove it either way, especially regarding businesses from over a decade ago? Am I supposed to keep notes and write a report at the end?
 Dude, my message to you is simple: If you don't accept DFW's offer, you will go down in UG history as one of, if not THE biggest tuckers of all time.

You're starting to sound pathetic with your "Even if I did" and "If he REALLY wanted.."

Bullshit, nothing but excuses.

Man up, take the trip, I can almost guarantee you that you'll have the time of your life, and when you get back to NZ (if that's where you really live), you'll have all the pics and videos to show all the hotties that you actually had the sack to back up your shit. You'll be pulling more tail than you ever thought possible.

From: ArtWanderlei Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 10/5/11 9:52 PM
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 if Dana takes one look at the pictures Squatdog has posted of himself he will have second thoughts.

From: CindyO Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 10/5/11 9:54 PM
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Squatdog - 
His amateur boxing record? Peter Welsh told me a few years ago what DW's record was. I told you. You said it was a lie=) See how we got to today? You need to go to Boston, visit the gym, talk to Peter and some of the guys DW used to train with. They are still there=)


LOL...a personal friend of Dana White as an unbiased source of information? Show me the actual documented record from the New England or Nevada Amateur Boxing associations.

Once again, it's all a shell game revolving around personal friends and business associates of Dana White who have a vested interest in promoting his claims.

What else have you called him a liar for? I wanna make sure you get to touch base with folks involved so ALLLLL of your questions can be answered... and you finally have some proof to share instead of your stale ass played out opinion.


That Dana White got the UFC sanctioned in New Jersey.

I'm DYING to hear your explanation for this. Maybe I could be introduced to someone who will tell me that ZUFFA actually DID get the UFC sanctioned in New Jersey and Bob Meryowitz is a filthy liar.

If they say so, that must mean it's true!

 Dude, Meyrowitz didn't get sanctioning in NJ. They (SEG) were the 2nd promoter.

IMO, all Zuffa should be taking credit for was being a part of the group of promoters (Pride was there, too) that met in NJ to finalize what the unified rules would be (months later after they actually owned the UFC) so folks were on the same page- the did NOT introduce sanctioning in NJ nor did they provide the original blueprint for rules- neither did Bob Meyrowitz.

Are you DYING yet, babe? ;)

Cindy

From: Bat21 62 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 10/5/11 9:54 PM
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Squatdog - 
His amateur boxing record? Peter Welsh told me a few years ago what DW's record was. I told you. You said it was a lie=) See how we got to today? You need to go to Boston, visit the gym, talk to Peter and some of the guys DW used to train with. They are still there=)


LOL...a personal friend of Dana White as an unbiased source of information? Show me the actual documented record from the New England or Nevada Amateur Boxing associations.

Once again, it's all a shell game revolving around personal friends and business associates of Dana White who have a vested interest in promoting his claims.

What else have you called him a liar for? I wanna make sure you get to touch base with folks involved so ALLLLL of your questions can be answered... and you finally have some proof to share instead of your stale ass played out opinion.


That Dana White got the UFC sanctioned in New Jersey.

I'm DYING to hear your explanation for this. Maybe I could be introduced to someone who will tell me that ZUFFA actually DID get the UFC sanctioned in New Jersey and Bob Meryowitz is a filthy liar.

If they say so, that must mean it's true!

 Translation: I'm still tuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucking.

From: ZIPPY 382 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 10/5/11 9:59 PM
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 This will certainly go down as a Top 5 all-time UG laugh.

From: CindyO Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 10/5/11 10:00 PM
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Squatdog - 
Magnum TA - 
kevinn46 - 
CindyO - Peter Welsh told me a few years ago what DW's record was. I told you. You said it was a lie=) See how we got to today? You need to go to Boston, visit the gym, talk to Peter and some of the guys DW used to train with. They are still there=)
Yo Cindy, what was his record? I'm actually pretty curious about that.

Also, I'm an amateur fighter looking to turn pro in two years. Could you help pass along a few questions to Dana White? I can PM them.

Thanks
Dana claims his amateur record was 13-4
 


According to the 1997 Las Vegas Review article, he was actually 33-10.

Whoops!

 Then take the paper with you and have him explain it! And film it=) Or you could whip it out in the Boston gym AFTER they tell you what his record is and then prove ALL of them wrong! Make them explain, SD! The looks on their faces would be PRICELESS! Armed with that evidence will you go now???

Cindy

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Posted: 10/5/11 10:00 PM
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Posted: 10/5/11 10:03 PM
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Dirtyu D - 
CindyO - Nope, its true. Peter told me his record was 15-3 not 15-4 like DW had mentioned in the past. Squat needs to go to the gym in Boston, look at old pics, talk to the trainers still doing their thing and ask all of the questions he wants.



Does that really strike you as reliable evidence?

 Nope. I think someone needs to pursue a written record of some type. That would be real proof, IMO.

SD claims he was NEVER an amateur boxer. It wouldn't matter if his record was 100-0 or 0-1. You either boxed as an amateur or you didn't. DW did.

Cindy

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Posted: 10/5/11 10:05 PM
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ArtWanderlei -  if Dana takes one look at the pictures Squatdog has posted of himself he will have second thoughts.

 I sent it to him and he's laughing his ass off;)

Cindy

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Posted: 10/5/11 10:05 PM
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I don't see the problem. You got all the proof you need. If you got proof to call somebody a liar, especially the UFC President, then you could come out looking like a hero. 

From: CindyO Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 10/5/11 10:07 PM
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 Whew! I thought I'd never reach the last page! 26 pages! 26,673 views and 476 posts (until I refresh- now its 34,161 views and 635 comments). Come on Squat! Can we set this up? What's your schedule look like? PM me, please.

Cindy
 

From: Sonester Sambo Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 10/5/11 10:14 PM
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dana was a spoiled doof that got rich due to association. failed boxercise instructor.

From: cab Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 10/5/11 10:14 PM
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Thanks Cindy for answering my questions on the previous page.

I had one amateur boxing match in the nineties and I can't find any record of it on the interwebz, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

From: CindyO Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 10/5/11 10:17 PM
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Sonester Sambo - go suck a dick cindy.

Hey babe! Long time, no see!

That's the plan as soon as my hubby gets back with a charger for our sons cell phone! Major HULKSMASH to follow;)

Cindy

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Posted: 10/5/11 10:23 PM
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Bat21 -
Squatdog - 
CindyO - 
Madmuzzy - So is donald Tuck going to take dana up on his invitation?

 We'll see. His only onjection last night was that he assumed DW would exploit him on a vlog but DW has no intention of filming it so Squatdog should no longer have a reason not to go. Its a once in a lifetime thing but I'm sure he'll pass- now that I have read about the trolling he has been doing for years on this thread;)

The guy has an orgasm every time someone posts about DW in a manner that calls for the re-re-re-reposting of the TUF clip so his screen is probably a nasty mess right about now, considering the DW topics the past few days. Let's wait til he hits it with some Windex so he can actually read the new posts added and then see what he has to say. Perhaps Squatdog has had a change of heart;)

Cindy


If he could have refuted any of the facts I presented, he would have done it already in one of his immense library of Vlogs or an interview. It's been a good five years or so and they have all been covered many times over. Hell, there was a monster thread a year or two ago regarding Dana White's alleged Amateur Boxing career (the only 'evidence' found was that he was registered as a cornerman/coach but not as an actual boxer).

If he REALLY wanted to comprehensively end the speculation once and for all, he would get a qualified journalist to confirm his claims. Even an MMA journalist would do.

Even if I did fly out from New Zealand(!), how would being harangued by Dana White and introduced to a selection of his cronies in a city I know little about prove it either way, especially regarding businesses from over a decade ago? Am I supposed to keep notes and write a report at the end?
 Dude, my message to you is simple: If you don't accept DFW's offer, you will go down in UG history as one of, if not THE biggest tuckers of all time.

You're starting to sound pathetic with your "Even if I did" and "If he REALLY wanted.."

Bullshit, nothing but excuses.

Man up, take the trip, I can almost guarantee you that you'll have the time of your life, and when you get back to NZ (if that's where you really live), you'll have all the pics and videos to show all the hotties that you actually had the sack to back up your shit. You'll be pulling more tail than you ever thought possible.
This! Phone Post

From: HELWIG 9 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 10/5/11 10:26 PM
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 "One would think Dana would have some pictures of him fighting back then. He could easily shoot all of this down with a few."

Seems to be the direction this is heading.

Squat, if you are presented legitimate, non-doctored photographs showing Dana White competing as an amateur boxer, will you admit your folly and never post here again?

This is a particular point of contention for me as I cant stand people falsifying their status as combat athletes. Even worse are guys who fake military service.

But at the same time, if you accuse someone of this, you had better be damn sure its true.

Where Squat could be fatally wrong, is that Dana specifically cited seeing journeyman pros that never made it still dragging ass around the gym in their mid 30s and he didnt want to risk that.

If he had never even boxed amateur and just "worked out" at a boxing gym, that would be an awfully bizzare claim. 

"I wont even try a sport to see howd Id do, since a lot of guys do and never make it big".

The most likely scenario, in my guess, is that he boxed amateur for a while and the numerical record has been toyed with a bit by multiple sources.

Regardless, if that is true, Squat's ship is sunk.
 

From: Dirtyu D 62 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 10/5/11 10:28 PM
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CindyO - DW did.



according to what you admit is questionable evidence...

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