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From: Obie1FaShobie 29 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
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Would neoptene elbow sleeves minimize cutting while keeping the power of the strikes intact? Phone Post

From: AJDavis 27 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
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Still have the same opinion on elbows on the ground! John Lineker was sent to the USA to fight in the UFC like a fedex package!

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DeLurked - Would neoptene elbow sleeves minimize cutting while keeping the power of the strikes intact? <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
Don't they add friction? Seems like it would make it worse. The only solution, IMO, would be to allow more vaseline.

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AJDavis - John Lineker was sent to the USA to fight in the UFC like a fedex package!

 crazy, much respect for what you did

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EckY -  The problem with cuts from elbows is that many guys will jsut look to cut using short elbows with  the sharp point of their elbow.

Short elbows on the ground do not need a lot of impact to cause bad cuts that bleed a lot, where as knees, kicks and punches generally are thrown to cause knockouts, yes they do cause cuts but people dont throw them specifically looking to cut guys.


A lot of old time boxers looked to do the exact same thing with their jabs. Gene Tunney was an expert at this

Cutting someone to blind their vision so you can KO them is a legit strategy. I do have issues with cutting someone so you can get a doctors stoppage but that is not what happened here. Cain did cut Bigfoot but then he beat the fuck out of him. There is no doubt who was the better man that night.

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Elbows also bring tko's jones vs vera comes to mind straight away Phone Post

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junobeach - Remove elbows on the ground

Give us soccer kicks and knees to the head
You realize what it would do to the sport to have somebody killed on live TV?

 Because there were so many deaths in Pride?

From: mrgoodarmbar 104 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
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A blunt non slicing short elbow can be devastating. I can't see them being removed except in pre final rounds of tournaments like Bellator. I don't know that Cain was trying to pass. He definitely didn't want to be swept or put in full guard, but a lot of GnPers are pretty happy in top 1/2 guard. I wonder how many extra broken hands we'd have if you couldn't elbow on the ground?

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Posted: 5/31/12 4:00 PM
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 Punches to the face should not be aloud because it causes bloody noses and that affects the outcome of a fight...  Guys cant breath out of their nose, so they have to open their mouths being more succeptible to knock out and they gas faster,

Yup let's outlaw punches to the face.

By the way, only 6 fights in the entire history were stopped due to cut and not all of those came from elbows...   only 6 fights out of around 1700 fights... you know what that means?  0.9%

Cuts are a silly excuse... BJJ guys dont like elbows because it limits their ground gameoff their backs... that's the reason they dont like elbows.

From: AJDavis 27 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
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They wont take elbows on the ground out, but I still dont agree with them. Joe Silva says that they keep guys from stalling. Everyone has an angle!

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Anyone sarcastically saying ban punches because they cut people is an idiot. Totally different to elbows. Phone Post

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EckY -  The problem with cuts from elbows is that many guys will jsut look to cut using short elbows with  the sharp point of their elbow.

Short elbows on the ground do not need a lot of impact to cause bad cuts that bleed a lot, where as knees, kicks and punches generally are thrown to cause knockouts, yes they do cause cuts but people dont throw them specifically looking to cut guys.


Everything here is truth, unfortunately... elbows hurt but nothing like a hard knee/kick/punch. It really wouldn't bother me if they were made illegal, although I don't believe it would've matter in the Velasquez/Silva fight.

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Posted: 5/31/12 4:11 PM
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The Purp - ha ya pretty sure if bigfoot won by cut stoppage due to elbows his manager would be saying the exact opposite.
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From: AJDavis 27 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
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Pride rules, dont know where your hate comes from, nor do I care. Been doing this for a long time, dont need to lie about anything. Bigfoot has acromegaly, which will kill you if left untreated, and at that time, that was what we were looking at. After a lot of research, he now has affordable treatment through the Brazilian Goverment, of all places! He also did NOT take Boldenone, and I will stand by his innocence in that case till the day I die!
Some one offends you, but the choice to take offense is yours, I chose not take offense from your remarks!

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Posted: 5/31/12 4:21 PM
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AJDavis - I saw the same. I also saw Bigfoot fighting blind.

Both fighters have the opportunity to blind the other.  Cain managed to do it.  Of course the fight would have been different if Cain hadn't blinded Silva, but rather than ask for relief for the blinded fighter, how about the fighter works on his blinding defense?  Had Cain broke Big Foot's Foot, you'd be telling us the fight wouldl have been diffferent if he could stand.  Yes we know this but the answer is not to out law grounding the opponent, rather to learn to defend against such tactics or impliment them yourself.  

If Cormier hadn't put Silva in an unconscious state, the fight would have ended differently.  Is there really a reason to need to state the obvious?  

From: AJDavis 27 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
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No one asked for relief, I just stated a fact as I saw it, when I was asked about it!

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Posted: 5/31/12 4:31 PM
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sparkyman - 
stonepony - 
junobeach - Remove elbows on the ground

Give us soccer kicks and knees to the head
You realize what it would do to the sport to have somebody killed on live TV?

 Because there were so many deaths in Pride?
Soccer kicks increase the risk, so do knees to the head. That's just common sense. It makes the sport much less safe, and it makes it appear more brutal, and the Fox deal never would have happened. Neither would much of the new sanctioning in different places. The sport would be years behind where it is.

From: Oblivious 1 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
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elbows should stay.

tough luck on bigfoot.

Hardy's elbows looked good.




From: SinCityHustler Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 4:32 PM
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AJDavis - No one asked for relief, I just stated a fact as I saw it, when I was asked about it!

 Wouldn't banning elbows be relief?  



From: AJDavis 27 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
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Pride Rules, I consider Fedor one of the best fighters of our era! I had seeked a fight vs Fedor for a long time. Thats my job! I always knew that Bigfoot would be a tough fight for Fedor, simply because of the 2 styles! I knew that if Bigfoot could stand with Fedor, and take him down, he could win.
Fedor was grossly mismanaged.

From: JerodR 81 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 4:38 PM
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With as many punches as he was eating from Cain he would have been bleeding sooner or later regardless. The elbow was not the problem, being completely dominated was.

From: AJDavis 27 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 4:44 PM
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He would not have been eating as many punches if he could see them coming!
But you know what? Its all in the past, in the books. Bigfoot will have another day, and other fights, life goes on!
I thank you all for the pleasant and constructive discussion! I do not own the truth, just as the next man doesnt. We can only describe the world from our own 2 eyes!

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