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From: KevinMcAllister 242 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 4:52 PM
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Taking any more techniques out of MMA is a horrible idea. Phone Post

From: stonepony Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 4:56 PM
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KevinMcAllister - Taking any more techniques out of MMA is a horrible idea. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
Agreed. The rules are established, and they work. There could be some tweaks, but taking elbows out isn't one of them.

Refs need to learn to apply the timidity rule (most people don't even know it exists). It would have completely saved the Silva Maia fight. It would have saved Houston Alexander's UFC contract.

Maybe allow knees against fighters that only have one hand down?

From: Coolface_Awesomeson Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 4:57 PM
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AJDavis - Pride Rules, I consider Fedor one of the best fighters of our era! I had seeked a fight vs Fedor for a long time. Thats my job! I always knew that Bigfoot would be a tough fight for Fedor, simply because of the 2 styles! I knew that if Bigfoot could stand with Fedor, and take him down, he could win.
Fedor was grossly mismanaged.

 damn

 i dont think many guys would have been looking for a fight with fedor before foot smashed him


i wish you would have grossly mismanaged bigfoot and not got that fight for him

when im 70 and have grandkids, ill be that bitter old man still talking about the time Foot beat fedor and telling them how the Dr. should have let it go 1 more round. 

<b>edit</b>: you also take the heat very well around here. plenty of managers woulda jumped right into talking shit back 


Hmmph. That exchange (between PR and AJD) ended differently than I expected...

ALSO, in terms of MMA legacy (which Fedor does not care about), perhaps he was mismanaged. But as it is, Fedor will retire young, very rich, adored as a national hero, and in good health. Seems like a pretty successful career.

From: stonepony Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 5:01 PM
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TOAO - Bigfoot only beat fedor bc of his 60 pound weight advantage. <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
You don't think he had the advantage in the stand-up?

From: rosario00 Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 5:13 PM
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"ban ground elbows" lmfao!! Phone Post

From: Blipty_Blurred 20 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 5:33 PM
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I agree regarding removing elbows in MMA. They are dangerous and people can get hurt by them. Also, I feel knockouts should be banned as well. They cause concussions and can cause alot of pain. If it weren't for KOs many fighters would have had a chance of winning their fights. Look at Bisbing vs Henderson. If Henderson would have "not knocked out" Bisbing, the fight could have gone longer and who knows what the outcome could have been. Just my thoughts. Phone Post

From: CoolnDeadly Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 5:40 PM
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I'm all for elbows and soccer kicks, but that blood had a major impact in that fight. Might as well just put a blindfold on the guy.

If anything Refs should call time to try and stop the bleeding for a bit.

From: Cappytime 4 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
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AJDavis - This is not the first time I have stated that Elbows on the ground should not be allowed, for the same reasons I have already stated here.
Anyone saying that Bigfoot is not a top athlete will be swallowing his words in the very near future.
My guys have just come off recent losses, Rousimar Vs Belcher, Barboza vs Varner, for example, and no excuses were made. Their opponents were simply the better fighters on these occasions. And I am not even making an excuse for Bigfoot, just stating a fact, he could not see due to the cut, or any of the above posters think other wise?
You should check yesterday's UG news board where Palhares said he was sick and couldn't do anything against Belcher. Phone Post

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Posted: 5/31/12 5:49 PM
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yes, elbows hurt people too badly for them to be allowed in the octagon. downed opponents have been finished with elbows instead of punches and we definitely shouldn't have that

and now look at the slew of fighters with elbow problems from arm bars, better get rid of those as well... and kimura's, arms break that way! we don't need a fight to stop due to a broken arm, if the arm isn't broken then the fight can go on longer and it may not end the same way....

maybe Bigfoot's head should be banned from MMA; hell, it alone has broken 3 fighters hands in his last 4 fights

*oh, and not to bring up the excuse thing, but.... Barboza wouldn't have lost had Varner not grabbed the cage, PaulHarris wouldn't have lost if he wasn't sick and Bigfoot wouldn't have lost had he not been cut? sounds like a whole river full of excuses right there

From: AJDavis 27 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
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Barboza lost because he lost. Rousimar lost because Belcher did his homework, and had an answer for everyone of Palhares questions, that guy did his home work!
Lol at banning bigfoots head!!!It sure has broken a bunch of hands! And it doesnt even bruise! Just gets cut! Now that is a good one! Thanks for the laugh!

From: Hardstaff Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 6:07 PM
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I completely agree with no elbows on the ground, Makes mma look way for barbaric than it is. Its beyond me, why DFW hasn't changed that rule.

From: kkmmnn 582 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
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=)

and man, i was pulling for Bigfoot in this fight. i don't care for Cain and Bigfoot strikes me as a cro-mag-not-fully-evolved human, so i definitely wanted the caveman to win. if anything they should legalize headbutts, then Bigfoot would be killing people

and what would Stephan Bonnar be without a little blood? LOVE THE ELBOWS, don't hate on em!

From: mrgoodarmbar 162 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 6:41 PM
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It does crack me up how everyone use to hate on Florian for throwing elbows...now it's in integral part of mma.

From: Josheo Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 6:42 PM
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Not only should they ban elbows on the ground, they should also ban guillotine chokes. I think making these changes would make for better fights and increase the safety of fighters in the ring. MMA would then transfrom into "MM - Hey, don't do that sh*t!"

From: JerodR 123 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 7:08 PM
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AJDavis - He would not have been eating as many punches if he could see them coming!
But you know what? Its all in the past, in the books. Bigfoot will have another day, and other fights, life goes on!
I thank you all for the pleasant and constructive discussion! I do not own the truth, just as the next man doesnt. We can only describe the world from our own 2 eyes!


It is a little tough to fight when your jaw or nose gets broken as well. While I understand what you are saying, I personally don't believe that they need to take more away from MMA. One could say they should take away submissions too because if a guy gets caught in one and gets his arm broken then he can't fight or defend themselves effectively. Unfortunately that is just the aspect of getting caught regardless of a sub, hard elbow, or shot to the face.

Unfortunately for Bigfoot he did get a nasty cut but at the same time it wasn't like they were in a 3 round war and it ended prematurely. I am sure he will be back. You win some, you lose some. I personally look forward to seeing him fight again. Sorry if I offended you but that was just my personal thoughts on the subject.

From: sweepnchoke 9 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 7:13 PM
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"I also think that elbows on the ground should not be allowed. For the most part, they cause cuts,....... and this does not help MMA as it tends to alienate many people to the sport."

Banning elbows on the ground would certainly help alienate me to the sport. Anything that has shown to effectively end a bout should never be banned IMHO. Besides, the 18-34 yr old male demographic that is the UFC audience has absolutely no issue with seeing the bloody mess, in fact quite the opposite.

From: r_o_y Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 8:03 PM
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fedro - I wouldn't mind no elbows on the ground. If you took them away the better fighter still wins every time and you won't have a bloodbath. The sport is still growing and fights that end up looking like horror movies will scare off alot of peeps. I know tons of people that watch fights with their kids as young as 6 years old. I wouldn't want my kid watching Cain/Bigfoot that's for damn sure
so the kids can watch two dudes throw down as long as they don't see any blood? what? also blood happens in a fight. if it's from an elbow or punch or a kick. i just don't get why people think that less blood will make mma seem less violent to those who are not supporters. your not going to be able to keep matches bloodless no matter what you change...unless you stop making it full contact all together.

From: Barragan Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 8:10 PM
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Give them elbow sleeves so we don't get cheap victories from cuts, but we don't take that method of attack away.

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From: Blazing Knees Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 8:27 PM
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AJDavis - Just got back to Brazil, was in the air, and only now found out about the uproar my comments on MMAJunkie Radio created, so I would like to clarify:

I have seen way worse cuts then the one Cain inflicted on Bigfoot. The problem with this particular cut was not the size or anything, but the profuse bleeding into Bigfoots eyes. This is not an excuse, it is a fact. I am not here saying that wasnt for the cut , Bigfoot would have won, nor I am making an excuse. What I am saying, again, is a fact. Had not been the cut, the fight most probably would have gone on, who knows what the outcome might have been, maybe Cain would have won anyways, maybe not.
I also think that elbows on the ground should not be allowed. For the most part, they cause cuts, which are diferent then Kos, Tkos or Subs. They also tend to make a bloody mess, sometimes from relatively minor damage, and this does not help MMA as it tends to alienate many people to the sport.
I didnt mean in no way to diminish Cains victory, or make an excuse for Bigfoots defeat, but simply state a fact that myself, and any one else who watched the fight, witnessed.

 I said the same thing in this thread I created a few days ago. I got cussed out too. here:

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&thread=2007495&page=1

From: Blazing Knees Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 8:30 PM
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 and I still dont know why or how Cain gets a rematch with JDS by winning on a cut on a b-level strikeforce fighter like bigdick 

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Someone should look into some cut statistics from Pride vs UFC or maybe pre elblows Stikeforce vs UFC. Phone Post

From: Darup Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 8:49 PM
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OP needs to do research on his elbow cut claim and he will realize how wrong he is. Phone Post

From: fedro 77 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
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r_o_y -
fedro - I wouldn't mind no elbows on the ground. If you took them away the better fighter still wins every time and you won't have a bloodbath. The sport is still growing and fights that end up looking like horror movies will scare off alot of peeps. I know tons of people that watch fights with their kids as young as 6 years old. I wouldn't want my kid watching Cain/Bigfoot that's for damn sure
so the kids can watch two dudes throw down as long as they don't see any blood? what? also blood happens in a fight. if it's from an elbow or punch or a kick. i just don't get why people think that less blood will make mma seem less violent to those who are not supporters. your not going to be able to keep matches bloodless no matter what you change...unless you stop making it full contact all together.
I'm not against the blood . You have blood in every single major sport other than baseball. I just think there's something cheap about those elbows on the ground that slice guys heads open. I wouldn't be shocked to see some sort of thin elbow pad on fighters in the near future. IMO if that Cain/Bigfoot fight was a live Fox fight it wouldn't be good for the UFC. A lot of casual fans would be turned off Phone Post

From: CoolnDeadly Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 9:27 PM
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Elbow Pads!!!!! Problem Solved!

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