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From: SexiestManAlive Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 9:32 PM
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Fuck that shit. Many things cause cuts not just elbows.

It's a shame how MMA started out as real fighting where anything goes, but is now being more and more limited.

The rules limit enough, elbows are not that bad IMO. Back of the head and dangerous shit like that are different. It just wasn't Bigfoot's night. Phone Post

From: Blazing Knees Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 9:34 PM
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CoolnDeadly - Elbow Pads!!!!! Problem Solved!

 its a grappling disadvantage. gives grip, something to grab onto

From: Barragan Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 9:57 PM
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<blockquote>Blazing Knees - <blockquote>CoolnDeadly - Elbow Pads!!!!! Problem Solved!</blockquote><br /> its a grappling disadvantage. gives grip, something to grab onto</blockquote><br /><br />That doesn't make any sense. How would it be a disadvantage if both fighters required elbow sleeves?

From: McRay 89 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 10:47 PM
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I'm not a Bigfoot fan by any means and think Cain would have won regardless, but BF showed tremendous heart. He was getting shelled with bombs he couldn't see coming and still kept trying to sweep Cain and stay active. He had a chance to quit when the doc checked him out but didn't, and towards the end, he had to be getting weak from the blood loss. Tough SOB for sure.

From: mrgoodarmbar 164 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 11:12 PM
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Blazing Knees - 
CoolnDeadly - Elbow Pads!!!!! Problem Solved!

 its a grappling disadvantage. gives grip, something to grab onto


well vaseline everywhere is a huge artificial disadvantage. I've always argued for rashguards. I think they're a win/win for everyone as they also give additional space for advertising and you could do without that stupid rush to put on a tshirt after the fight. A rashguard would also be a great way to integrate a thin elbow pad, just enough to stop the slicing cuts but not really offer any padding from solid blows.

From: Keybo4rd_Warri0r Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 11:21 PM
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adc559 - Dumb! Dnt get elbowed in the damn head and you wont bleed its part of a fight! :) Phone Post
^this
It's that simple Phone Post

From: mexican jujitsu 335 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/1/12 2:08 AM
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if bigfoot would have won in the same fashion as cain. would you be still be campaigning for this cause?

From: swany Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/1/12 3:07 AM
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mma is fine the way it is.....people are gonna get hurt its the nature of the beast

From: Shatcore Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/1/12 3:47 AM
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Here are a few sports that don't allow elbows on the ground: Badminton, Netball, Cricket, Wiffleball, Curling, Unicycling, Snooker, Bobsleigh, Scrabble.. Perhaps your client would be more comfortable competing in one of these sports? Or you could just stfu. I'm sick of these "I'm not making excuses but *INSERTS EXCUSE RIGHT HERE*" statements.

From: GrilliamG 27 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/1/12 4:29 AM
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I'm a pretty big fan of Bigfoot Silva, his reaction to winning the Fedor fight, the abject joy he showed while hugging his cornermen will forever be in my mind during his fights.

That being said, it is not as though he was signing up for something that outlawed elbows and then got murderelbowed in the face. You saying elbows on the ground should be outlawed after your fighter lost from such an injury disgraces the fighter. Bigfoot knew what he was getting into and accepted them as such, you should as well.

(Though I'm sure others will come on and say things such as, "Well what have you done with your life?!" due to their childish reactions)

From: victorpoprock 24 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/1/12 5:45 AM
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Ughh, what a surprise. Your guy loses by elbow strikes so now you want elbow strikes banned. Screw that. Im tired of the sport getting watered down, we already lost knee strikes to the head on the ground and stomps and soccer kicks. Why take ANOTHER weapon away from a striker? If you don't like elbows, then learn to defend against them, don't ban them.

From: smiter Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/1/12 6:42 AM
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For what it's worth I'm not sure if it's already been posted but Bas Rutten also believes elbows should be banned from being used on the ground.

I agree with Bas and Al, banning them would reduce cuts and prolong fights. Phone Post

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Posted: 6/1/12 7:05 AM
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smiter - For what it's worth I'm not sure if it's already been posted but Bas Rutten also believes elbows should be banned from being used on the ground.<br><br>I agree with Bas and Al, banning them would reduce cuts and prolong fights. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


This forum is hilarious. When a fight goes 5 rounds, everyone whines and wants knees and soccer kicks so we can see a finish. When Cain cuts Bigfoot and then smashes his face in with G&P until he basically gives up, people want to remove elbows so they can see 5 round fights

Elbows causing cuts and stopping fights is a myth thrown around by Pride fanbois. Out of 700 UFC fights, only 8 have been stopped for cuts, out of those 8, only 2 were cuts caused by elbows. Out of those two, only 1 was from an elbow on the ground

Bas is also a funny guy. The only reason anyone gave him the Randleman fight is because of his elbows from the bottom

From: fightharder 14 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/1/12 8:18 AM
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Thx for the post.....

Though it might actually help the sport get more ''sanitized'' it would also make it more boring. I know everybody refers back to the good old Pride days. While Pride was great there where a lot of moments on the ground that where awfully boring.

Now you probably will say you can remedy this with quicker stand-up with inactivity but in reality everybody knows this will not happen. If it would change the sport more emphatically then most people think.

I think they should stay. I also think the bloodiness at times is not that bad. Fights being stopped for this reason are always unfortunate but banning them is not the solution.

From: Beezulbubba 37 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/1/12 9:42 AM
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Elbows just make a fight so damn boring. In fights without them, they have to actually fight. Cuts happen, but I watch UFC because they're the big name, but for action, I'd much prefer watching SF, Bellator, Pride re-runs, etc. The action flow is just so much better.

Elbows aren't the only reason for this, as people fight not to lose instead of fighting to win in the UFC for fear of being cut, emphasis on TDs puts Lay-N-Pray as a favored judging outcome, etc.


I'm an NHB fan at heart, but the elbows should go.


JBJ is one of the few that can make good use of his elbows.

From: Shatcore Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/1/12 10:01 AM
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I can't believe all this "Get rid of elbows" bullshit.

Fans cry like babies when a fight gets left in the hands of the judges, and even more so when the judges mess up the decision.

Here we have a legal devastating technique that finishes fights. We see TKO's and sometimes KO's as a result of elbows, and you guys want to discard that in favour of letting Cecil Peoples decide who won? Techniques that lead to stoppages are a good thing.

Punches can cut, and so can knees, perhaps we should ban those too?

The cut contributed to the stopping of the fight, but it alone did not stop the fight, the doc inspected it, it was fine. Bigfoot lost because Cain smashed him.

From: raags 77 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/1/12 10:29 AM
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Hi AJ! I don't know of my opinion is indicative of the general UG populace - I disagree with your viewpoint om elbows but think it's so cool of you to post here and engage with the forum users and not get caught up in shit slinging. Really appreciated.

I thought Bigfoot showed a tonne of heart in the fight and am really curious how the fight could have gone without the elbow, but at the same time feel it was a completely legitimate outcome when it's the lack of sight that causes a TKO, rather than the fight actually being stopped for the cut.

From: orcus Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/1/12 10:51 AM
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"Elbows just make a fight so damn boring. In fights without them, they have to actually fight. "

Yeah, just look at how much more exciting Trigg's fight with Misaki in Pride was then his fights where he was allowed elbows.

And look how boring the Cain fight was, or Loiseau's fight with Tanner, or any of Jones' fights.

"I'm an NHB fan at heart"

Yeah, obviously.

Can you tell me some fights made boring by elbows?

From: AJDavis 27 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/1/12 11:07 AM
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Everyone has the right to their opinions. So do I. I guess my opinion on elbows, which I have had from way back, got mixed up with my outlook on Bigfoots fight.
I enjoy coming on here, and not only expressing my opinions, but listening to others.
Some times people try to offend, but the choice to take offense is mine, and I chose not to!
Many cool people, with constructive views, different then my own!
I was definitely outvoted on the Elbows! Bigfoot will be back, and as always, will come to fight.

From: mixedmartialmike Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/1/12 11:14 AM
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Disagree with you AJ but you seem like a cool guy. Phone Post

From: Kanabull 23 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/1/12 1:04 PM
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Biggest problem in this fight was the incompetent doctor who let Bigfoot go back out there. His vision was obviously severely impaired and the doctor send him back out there to take further damage. He should be fired IMO. Doctors should never base their decisions on something the fighter says. They are (almost) always going to say that they can keep fighting. Especially a tough SOB like Antonio. Phone Post

From: TexDeuce 204 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/1/12 1:23 PM
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There are so many caveman retards on this forum. Elbows should be banned. Pride and Strikeforce did fine without them. Most of the time all they do is cut the fighters and leaking blood everywhere. Scars their faces up pretty badly as well. Some fights have been ended with elbows but not many considering how many fights are ended by punches. Bring knees to a downed opponent and ban elbows. Phone Post

From: Wasa-B 372 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/1/12 1:31 PM
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I think elbows need stay as its a significant party of close quarter and in-fighting range. However, i do think the severity of BFs cut was unfortunate - one of the worst bleeding cuts we've seen. However, that's part of the game too.


From: Wasa-B 372 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/1/12 1:33 PM
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orcus - "Elbows just make a fight so damn boring. In fights without them, they have to actually fight. "

Yeah, just look at how much more exciting Trigg's fight with Misaki in Pride was then his fights where he was allowed elbows.

And look how boring the Cain fight was, or Loiseau's fight with Tanner, or any of Jones' fights.

"I'm an NHB fan at heart"

Yeah, obviously.

Can you tell me some fights made boring by elbows?


I think, like ANYTHING, it can go either way.

There are some who stay conservative in position and range and just eat away lightly with short elbows. Thats fair game, to wear someone out but I suppose the question is if they will ever try and posture up and go for bigger shots or advance position.

You named some of the best elbow throwers above there but all techiques and their throwers, they arent all created equally.

From: Blazing Knees Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 6/1/12 2:08 PM
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 ban elbows

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