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From: bearockbrobama 219 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 7/15/12 11:17 AM
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 For as long as Showtime promotes MMA, not just the Strikeforce contract.

According to Dave Meltzer viz Bloody Elbow

www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/7/15/3160606/ronda-rousey-luke-rockhold-other-strikeforce-fighters-contractually

From: bearockbrobama 219 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
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Dave Meltzer's latest podcast has a bit of shocking news that we'd not heard to this point when it comes to Strikeforce fighters. In the wake of last night's Strikeforce show that saw Luke Rockhold retain his Strikeforce middleweight title, Dave was discussing the idea of fighters in Strikeforce fighting the best in the UFC when he said the words "but that can't happen because of the deal with Showtime."

He went on to explain that this was the result of Showtime's paranoia over having Alistair Overeem, Nick Diaz and Dan Henderson lost to the UFC (all through slightly different circumstances):

"They made this list of guys and they said 'these are our guys' and, even if their contract expires, they can't move to UFC. That's part of their deal with keeping this alive. So these guys are stuck."

To be clear, the UFC signed this agreement.

Meltzer continued:

"He [Gilbert Melendez] couldn't go to UFC. He could go to Bellator if he wanted to, but he couldn't go to the UFC.

...

There's a list of guys, not everyone on Showtime is on the list, but Ronda Rousey is on the list, Gilbert Melendez is on the list, Luke Rockhold is on the list...

It's for as long as Showtime broadcasts MMA."

That doesn't mean as long as Showtime broadcasts Strikeforce, but rather as long as Showtime broadcasts any MMA from the way Meltzer explained it.

More after the jump...

SBN coverage of Strikeforce: Rockhold vs. Kennedy

Star-divide

When asked if this means that if Showtime broadcasts MMA for 15 years, for the next 14, they can't go to the UFC?

"No, because they're Showtime fighters for life. Or they could leave the Zuffa organization."

And also, on the idea of if this could be challenged in court:

"They can't because it's a contract the UFC has, it's not a fighter deal. I've had the whole thing explained to me by one of the fighters on the list.

Zuffa isn't going to do it to be in breach of contract. The contract is between Zuffa and Showtime that this list of fighters are Showtime fighters and if they're in the Zuffa organization they will fight on Showtime."

This is a shocking development and means that the Strikeforce fighters are stuck on Showtime for the foreseeable future. Should Strikeforce be dissolved, Showtime could promote their own independent MMA shows or bring on any other promotion and keep Strikeforce's top stars locked out of the UFC and, presumably, on their airwaves.

 

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Posted: 7/15/12 11:21 AM
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WOW

From: TheParrot 52 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
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 Doesn't make any sense.  If strikeforce folds and no one purchases the assets (contracts) how could they possibly be bound to no promotion?  Seems like an unenforceable clause if it even exists.

From: bearockbrobama 219 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
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This pretty much fucking blows.

So even if they go on to Bellator and still win, they can never EVER go to the UFC.

Zuffa signed a handful of fighters lives away.

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Posted: 7/15/12 11:23 AM
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Lol@showtime fighter for life. Melter doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. Phone Post

From: bearockbrobama 219 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
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TheParrot -  Doesn't make any sense.  If strikeforce folds and no one purchases the assets (contracts) how could they possibly be bound to no promotion?  Seems like an unenforceable clause if it even exists.



I think it is more along the lines that they plan on purchasing another organization or branding their own MMA if they lose Strikeforce.

If that happens then they will always have a guaranteed handful of established fighters to help start their new effort.

Interested to see MMALOGIC's opinion on this.

From: bearockbrobama 219 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 7/15/12 11:25 AM
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Haole - anyway, this is an overall good thing if it gets Zuffa to invest more in SF promotion & bring in some UFC names, SF needs some title level fighters, bad

Who is Nate gonna defend against?

Well, zuffa WW is a cluster fuck, send someone over



I vote the winner or loser of Sadollah / Hardy, but Dana White has made it clear he wants nothing to do with Strikeforce son I dont think it will be a fighter still in the UFC.

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Haole - If Strikeforce was dissolved or their contract with Showtime expired & they attempted to block a fighter from fighting for zuffa that would never stand up in court

 ^ This

It almost sounds like Zuffa signed a non-compete clause in regards to those particular fighters, but non-compete clauses cannot be indefinite.  If the clause doesn't have a concrete endpoint, the liklihood of it holding up to a legal challenge is pretty damn slim.

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Chomas - WOW

 

From: bearockbrobama 219 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
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It also sucks more that they will never fight in the UFC, as long as Strikeforce is around, while could still be a while.

From: Steve4192 216 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
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eagleswhat1 - ZUFFA won't let them fight in the UFC. It's the promotions contract not the fighters.

 No, Showtime is attempting to block the UFC from signing them.  If Zuffa was not bound by that clause, they would gladly bring those fighters under the UFC umbrella.  Zuffa probably signed knowing full well that, when push comes to shove, that clause has no chance of standing up in court.  If/when Strikeforce folds and Showtime tries to enforce that clause, Zuffa will simply take them to court and challenge the legality of the whole thing.
 

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Posted: 7/15/12 11:33 AM
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REally shitty for Melendez and Rockhold. Can we get Mousasi and Cormier into the UFC at least?

It seems Stikeforce is struggling, every event gets less coverage. How long can they really have left?

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bearockbrobama - It also sucks more that they will never fight in the UFC, as long as Strikeforce is around

We already knew that was the case though.  When Showtime signed the new contract with Strikeforce, they put the kibosh on Zuffa raiding what was left of the roster.

while could still be a while.

I'll be shocked if Showtime extends or renews their existing contract.

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RealTerry - REally shitty for Melendez and Rockhold. Can we get Mousasi and Cormier into the UFC at least?

It seems Stikeforce is struggling, every event gets less coverage. How long can they really have left?

Longer than you would think.

It's still cheap programming for Showtime, WAY cheaper than original programming like Dexter or Weeds, and brings in a respectable number of subscribers.  From their perspective, Strikeforce delivers a nice little return with a minimal amount of investment.


From: bearockbrobama 219 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 7/15/12 11:43 AM
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Steve4192 -
bearockbrobama - It also sucks more that they will never fight in the UFC, as long as Strikeforce is around

We already knew that was the case though.  When Showtime signed the new contract with Strikeforce, they put the kibosh on Zuffa raiding what was left of the roster.

while could still be a while.

I'll be shocked if Showtime extends or renews their existing contract.
This seems like win lose or draw they can't move.

And it lists select fighters only, so I don't think this is the same as what was already known. Phone Post

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Posted: 7/15/12 11:44 AM
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since they dissolved Heavy & LightHeavy, there are only Middle, Welter, and Light to consider...

Bring over the guys who have had 2 unsuccessful UFC title shots.

Florian would have been perfect, as would have BJ Penn, but Kenny's done and I think they may have already tried w/ BJ, bummer

Franklin (like Penn) I don't see moving back down to Middle AND over to SF at the stage, but stranger things have happened

Koscheck would be great to bring over, bitch as he may

You have guys like Edgar, Evans, Sonnen, who are stars and still too relevant in the UFC title picture, and my switch weight classes

Also, some guys that have become gatekeepers or journeymen, but have a name, like a Jardine (or even w/o name value)

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Posted: 7/15/12 11:45 AM
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Melendez would be better off going to Bellator once its on Spike. His fights would be seen by a lot more people and there are better fights then in Stikeforce. Chandler, Alvarez and even Hawn would be good fights.

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Steve4192 - 
Haole - If Strikeforce was dissolved or their contract with Showtime expired & they attempted to block a fighter from fighting for zuffa that would never stand up in court

 ^ This

It almost sounds like Zuffa signed a non-compete clause in regards to those particular fighters, but non-compete clauses cannot be indefinite.  If the clause doesn't have a concrete endpoint, the liklihood of it holding up to a legal challenge is pretty damn slim.


Even with an endpoint the clause needs to be reasonable in scope of time and geographic region...no way this would ever stand up.

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Could one of those fighters sign with Belator for a tournament and if defeated and a free agent then sign with the UFC? I hate to use this example but Farve to the Jets to go to the Vikings type of thing? Phone Post

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Posted: 7/15/12 11:58 AM
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I dont buy that for a second, maybe while SF is on Showtime they arent allowed in the UFC but no way they can be kept from the UFC as long as Showtime airs mma.


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Posted: 7/15/12 12:02 PM
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Haole - 
RealTerry - Melendez would be better off going to Bellator once its on Spike. His fights would be seen by a lot more people .


Um, dude, Bellator is on Spike, and like 47 people watch it


No it starts on Spike in January, on MTV2 now doing about 200k a show. That should go up quite a bit once they get on Spike in January

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Posted: 7/15/12 12:10 PM
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this must be why they dont advertise at all for strikeforce,their way of sticking it to them for that

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Posted: 7/15/12 12:14 PM
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Haole - 
RealTerry - 
Haole - 
RealTerry - Melendez would be better off going to Bellator once its on Spike. His fights would be seen by a lot more people .


Um, dude, Bellator is on Spike, and like 47 people watch it


No it starts on Spike in January, on MTV2 now doing about 200k a show. That should go up quite a bit once they get on Spike in January



See, people dont even know what channel its on, lol

You are right though, season 70 was still on MTV2, but not close to 200K average


Well thatll change once they get on Spike which people still go to for MMA. That MMA uncensored show does legit ratings there which Bellator should be able to get. But they are going to need to bring in some draws too.

http://www.fightofthenight.com/news/bellator-70-tv-ratings/

The average rating on MTV2 look to be 160k or so. Once on spike they will be doing over 500k

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Zuffa could have signed something like this to appease Showtime during contract talks knowing if Zuffa closed shop on Strikeforce that the clause would not hold up in court. Phone Post

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