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From: Darup Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 7/15/12 7:34 PM
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Anyone with a shred of legal understanding or common sense knew the original report was bullshit. Phone Post

From: stonepony Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 7/15/12 7:35 PM
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"They'll SF, or Showtime with dump SF, everything will fold and the contract will be void."

I'm an awesome typor. They'll dump SF, or Showtime will. Showtime signed the contract, assuming they could use those fighters to keep the organization going. They were wrong. It's on it's death bed.

From: ILoveWatchingJonesBoneShogun Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 7/15/12 7:39 PM
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Jive Turkey - There's no way this holds up. How can they have any say over what are essentially freelancers without having the fighters themselves sign anything? It makes no sense.


It makes sense, Showtime doesn't want Strikeforce to be known as a feeder promotion for future UFC fighters, it was supposed to be its own completely seperate promotion from the UFC and if a star develops in Strikeforce, Showtime would reap the rewards and not lose him to the UFC. Even if Zuffa could take it to court and win, they probably would not do so and risk Showtime not renewing

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Posted: 7/15/12 7:41 PM
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CindyO -  I asked DW:

"Meltzer is claiming you guys signed an agreement with Showtime that states Zuffa/UFC  cannot have (specifically mentioned) Ronda, Luke or Gil on your roster as long as Showtime promotes MMA, even beyond their contract period w/Strikeforce). He also said that even if Strikeforce folds, those 3 still cannot come to the UFC (but they can go to Belator or another competitor- just never UFC as long as Showtime promotes MMA). Is this true?"

DW's response:

"idk wtf melzers problem is! Has this guy lost his mind? That is absolutely not true!"


Cindy
Thanks CindyO. It didn't make any sense at all. Meltzer has been smoking that shit again.

Zuffa is OBVIOUSLY letting SF die. They're obviously exploiting it as a temporary farm-team for fighters to fall back to, and to draw fighters from.

They wouldn't be "all over Ronda's nuts", promoting her, if they were getting nothing for it.

From: ILoveWatchingJonesBoneShogun Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 7/15/12 7:43 PM
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stonepony - 
CindyO -  I asked DW:

"Meltzer is claiming you guys signed an agreement with Showtime that states Zuffa/UFC  cannot have (specifically mentioned) Ronda, Luke or Gil on your roster as long as Showtime promotes MMA, even beyond their contract period w/Strikeforce). He also said that even if Strikeforce folds, those 3 still cannot come to the UFC (but they can go to Belator or another competitor- just never UFC as long as Showtime promotes MMA). Is this true?"

DW's response:

"idk wtf melzers problem is! Has this guy lost his mind? That is absolutely not true!"


Cindy
Thanks CindyO. It didn't make any sense at all. Meltzer has been smoking that shit again.

Zuffa is OBVIOUSLY letting SF die. They're obviously exploiting it as a temporary farm-team for fighters to fall back to, and to draw fighters from.

They wouldn't be "all over Ronda's nuts", promoting her, if they were getting nothing for it.


They bought Strikeforce so they can control contracts, who are they gonna negotiate against? Anything else is just icing on the cake

From: stonepony Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 7/15/12 7:44 PM
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ILoveWatchingJonesBoneShogun - 
Jive Turkey - There's no way this holds up. How can they have any say over what are essentially freelancers without having the fighters themselves sign anything? It makes no sense.


It makes sense, Showtime doesn't want Strikeforce to be known as a feeder promotion for future UFC fighters, it was supposed to be its own completely seperate promotion from the UFC and if a star develops in Strikeforce, Showtime would reap the rewards and not lose him to the UFC. Even if Zuffa could take it to court and win, they probably would not do so and risk Showtime not renewing
Why is Showtime not renewing any kind of a risk? You think Zuffa invested in SF in order to build it up? Or, to buy it and chop it up? If it was a partnership (stupid), they would be sending fighters over to co-promote and help out. Fighters are complaining about going a year with 1 or 2 fights. It's dead, it's a dead organization. They were vulnerable enough for Zuffa to get their foot in the door, and this was the inevitable conclusion.

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Posted: 7/15/12 7:45 PM
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The Mouth -
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dfw jr - Dave has lost his mind!! Now he is just making shit up. Phone Post


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From: stonepony Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 7/15/12 7:48 PM
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ILoveWatchingJonesBoneShogun - 
stonepony - 
CindyO -  I asked DW:

"Meltzer is claiming you guys signed an agreement with Showtime that states Zuffa/UFC  cannot have (specifically mentioned) Ronda, Luke or Gil on your roster as long as Showtime promotes MMA, even beyond their contract period w/Strikeforce). He also said that even if Strikeforce folds, those 3 still cannot come to the UFC (but they can go to Belator or another competitor- just never UFC as long as Showtime promotes MMA). Is this true?"

DW's response:

"idk wtf melzers problem is! Has this guy lost his mind? That is absolutely not true!"


Cindy
Thanks CindyO. It didn't make any sense at all. Meltzer has been smoking that shit again.

Zuffa is OBVIOUSLY letting SF die. They're obviously exploiting it as a temporary farm-team for fighters to fall back to, and to draw fighters from.

They wouldn't be "all over Ronda's nuts", promoting her, if they were getting nothing for it.


They bought Strikeforce so they can control contracts, who are they gonna negotiate against? Anything else is just icing on the cake
I agree. Zuffa didn't buy in because they saw all the profit being made with SF. They wanted easier access to the few SF fighters with potential to be big names. It was never a long-term investment IMO. It was win-win for Zuffa. If, magically, miraculously, SF somehow became the premier organization, Zuffa wins. If the fold, Zuffa wins.

I'm really hoping Bellator continues to be the WEC style professional respectable organization that they are. They're in great shape to take SF's place as the feeder league. If they don't blow it.

From: Orcus Knows MMA Better Than Goku Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 7/15/12 7:50 PM
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 what do u expect..this is a grown fucking man that became so obsessed with pro wrassling that he dedicated his life and career to it...even when he didnt make money from doing it...

From: ILoveWatchingJonesBoneShogun Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 7/15/12 7:52 PM
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stonepony - 
ILoveWatchingJonesBoneShogun - 
Jive Turkey - There's no way this holds up. How can they have any say over what are essentially freelancers without having the fighters themselves sign anything? It makes no sense.


It makes sense, Showtime doesn't want Strikeforce to be known as a feeder promotion for future UFC fighters, it was supposed to be its own completely seperate promotion from the UFC and if a star develops in Strikeforce, Showtime would reap the rewards and not lose him to the UFC. Even if Zuffa could take it to court and win, they probably would not do so and risk Showtime not renewing
Why is Showtime not renewing any kind of a risk? You think Zuffa invested in SF in order to build it up? Or, to buy it and chop it up? If it was a partnership (stupid), they would be sending fighters over to co-promote and help out. Fighters are complaining about going a year with 1 or 2 fights. It's dead, it's a dead organization. They were vulnerable enough for Zuffa to get their foot in the door, and this was the inevitable conclusion.


Showtime is just renewing for 2012, they aren't investing long term, this allows them to maintain leverage and be able to make demands of this nature (not letting stars leave) I think Zuffa wanted probably 7-10 guys out of SF to eventually move to the UFC and they had to eat the rest, they also want to control demand for fighters when contracts are up which allows them to sign fighters at a discounted price compared to if they were negotiating against Strikeforce like when Hendersons contract expired. He was over valued to the UFC and now they want him back lol, shit like that happens

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Posted: 7/15/12 7:54 PM
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This only sucks for the fighters that are blocked really Phone Post

From: JerodR 90 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 7/15/12 7:56 PM
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Its completely wrong for the fighters involved to say the least. The question is can those particular fighters challenge this. They are basically being legally black balled.

From: ILoveWatchingJonesBoneShogun Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 7/15/12 7:58 PM
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willienugget - If there was some list in the contract of fighters that couldn't go to the UFC, don't you think Nick Diaz' name would be on it?


I think they signed the new deal after Diaz already left to the UFC. Showtime saw what was happening and requested this for a 2012 contract

From: markiz Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 7/15/12 8:09 PM
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The more one think about SF situation the more shitty it becomes.
Actually this isn't even the most retarded thing about SF today. The worst, by far is this clause for Cormier and Barnett, that they have to do one more fight in SF.

I mean who the fuck they're gonna put up against those two?
Bas Rutten coming out of retirement?
It doesn't make any sense.

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Posted: 7/15/12 8:22 PM
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What happens to the females if they get rid of SF will the UFC ever have female fighters or will dana just leave em jobless? Phone Post

From: ILoveWatchingJonesBoneShogun Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 7/15/12 8:24 PM
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willienugget - If you could explain this in more detail I would appreciate it. Of course I'm just thinking simplistic, but how could you sell your company in March, then see three major fighters leave to the UFC and then decide to make a list of fighters to block from leaving?

What 2012 contract are you talking about? Is this all about Showtime? Why would Zuffa care so much about Showtime to sign a contract if this was included?


Showtimes contract was up around Dec of 2011 and it was renewed for 2012. In the previous contract is when fighers were leaving to the UFC. Showtime was not ok with that and let their intentions be known, even if there is not a legally enforceable element it was clear they would not continue to extend the contract if the they kept moving the biggest names to the UFC.

Think of this as a feeder system that allows the UFC to break even if not make a little something but the real benefit is there is not competition to negotiate up contracts on fighters. They control everything. Eventually it will probably disolve and many of the fighters will be recycled and in a few years they will buy them out again once they see a credible threat to their market share

From: white ninja mma Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 7/15/12 8:25 PM
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This makes absolutely zero sense..... The fighters are contracted with Zuffa, NOT Showtime. Furthermore, Zuffa doesn't have a lifetime contract with Showtime. So it is IMPOSSIBLE to say that these fighters are tied to Showtime for "life" under the Zuffa umbrella. This seems like a half-story.

From: THE TICKLE MONSTER 13 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 7/15/12 8:27 PM
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 lol @ all the people who didn't read the thread.

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Posted: 7/15/12 8:27 PM
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 Its going to be an interesting 2013.

From: MMALOGIC Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 7/15/12 8:39 PM
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The fighter explaining it to meltzer is likely wrong... how the heck do they know exactly what zuffa signed?  maybe that's what was told to them because of negotiating purposes (to keep fighters in SF)....

No way would showtime have that leverage over fighters if their agreement with SF/zuffa ends.
 
These fighters cant fight in the UFC without SF's permission as long as Showtime is airing live SF fights.  The deal runs til 2014 with an option to exit by 2013.

From: Chimonos Revenge 266 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 7/15/12 8:48 PM
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What kind of sense does that make?

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Who the fuck would essentially sign a lifetime contract? This sounds like bullshit Phone Post

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Posted: 7/15/12 8:51 PM
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Dana responding rules Phone Post

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Thanks Cindy O.
As soon as I read this I knew it was bullshit. I've studied enough law to know that it just didn't make sense. Phone Post

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Posted: 7/15/12 9:08 PM
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What a fucking load of shit!
Goodbye free market economy for fighters.

I'm sure this is technically illegal. Not that it matters. Phone Post

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