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From: JudOWNED 67 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 4/29/11 8:41 AM
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/29/us-superman-idUSTRE73S2J220110429

Superman, citizen of the world?

The Man of Steel, in the latest issue of Action Comics which hit newsstands on Wednesday, said he intends to renounce his U.S. citizenship in a speech before the United Nations.

"I'm tired of having my actions construed as instruments of U.S. policy," Superman said in a short story in the issue, Action Comics No. 900 from the Time Warner Inc unit DC Comics.

In the comic, Superman never actually renounces his citizenship, he only talks about his plans to do that.

But conservative commentators reacted with disgust to the new storyline, given that the fictional superhero has long proclaimed he stood for "Truth, Justice and the American way."

In a blog post at The Weekly Standard, senior writer Jonathan Last questioned Superman's beliefs, now that he seems to have rejected the United States.

"Does he believe in British interventionism or Swiss neutrality?" Last wrote. "You see where I'm going with this: If Superman doesn't believe in America, then he doesn't believe in anything."

The new plot twist for Superman comes as the superhero visitor from a distant planet, who was raised by a Kansas farmer and his wife, looks to take on a more global mission for his battle against evil.

"The world's too small. Too connected," Superman said in the comic book.

Superman, who was first introduced in the 1938, has a long association with the United States. But Joe Shuster, the artist who helped create the character with writer Jerry Siegel, was born in Canada.

And critics have described Superman's life story as a metaphor for the immigrant experience, because he is an alien.

DC Comics co-publishers Jim Lee and Dan DiDio seemed to downplay their landmark superhero character's latest declaration, in a joint statement.

"In a short story in Action Comics 900, Superman announces his intention to put a global focus on his never ending battle, but he remains, as always, committed to his adopted home and his roots as a Kansas farm boy from Smallville," they said.


Ghey.

From: taba 29 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
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From: JudOWNED 67 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 4/29/11 10:30 AM
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Taba you edit your last post out? Why bro? It was good. I was going to say I agree in most respects and I'm sure you are correct about them walking the line. I'm just... and I hate to sound like a right wing nutjob here, but... I'm just tired of people shitting on traditional American values. And it's kind of a sad commentary that, in order to appeal to liberals, they have to have Supes renounce his citizenship. I mean, really, wtf?

Sorry my fellow GGers for bringing politics here! I generally like the politics free nature of this board, but this just seems sad to me.

From: paw 1429 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 4/29/11 12:20 PM
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You should see the reaction on the DCU Message Boards, anything taba wrote is nothing compared to what's going on there.

Myself, I don't see this as a political issue so much as a pointless and stupid retcon of something fundamental to the character.  In the past, Superman has made it very clear that he is not interested in US policy, per se -- which is why he abstained from campaigning against Luthor in any way when Luthor ran for President.  Also in the past, Superman has opposed US Policy when it went against his personal beliefs and values.

If the concern is really that Superman's actions are going to be interpreted as US Policy, there isn't a thing he can do about that.  Even revoking his citizenship won't stop that.

I don't have the slightest idea where or why DC is even suggesting this....Frankly, I don't see the point.




From: BigWilliam 277 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 4/29/11 12:24 PM
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johnathan last is a neocon hack looking for something to bitch about and explain how everyone that doesn't think like him is out to destroy the country.

And no they didn't to it to appeal to liberals, that's stupid. It's just the character restating what he has said a thousand times before. He's not a hero for one country, he's a hero for the entire world.

From: paw 1429 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 4/29/11 12:39 PM
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BigWilliam - It's just the character restating what he has said a thousand times before. He's not a hero for one country, he's a hero for the entire world.

Everyone knows that he's a hero for the world.  How exactly does being an American citizen change that?

From: kung_pow 57 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
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He has the power to take over the world and make it a utopia, but he wants to leave it up to the people to decide, so he let's the people kill themselves and suffer and lets innocents get caught in collateral damage.

In response to criticism that he is a shill of one of the "least worst" human rights violating countries by one of the "most worst" human rights violating countries he decides to renounce his citizenship. I wonder if Clark Kent renounces his citizenship too? Either way, they both better pay their "fair share" of taxes.

From: JudOWNED 67 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 4/29/11 12:45 PM
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BW I think you are downplaying it too much. Even if it is not politically motivated (by the writers), it is still a huge change to the fundamental core of the character's motivations. It's not just him articulating something he has believed for years. It is a huge reversal.

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Posted: 4/29/11 1:10 PM
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it is still a huge change to the fundamental core of the character's motivations.


How so? He can still champion "the American way" and those values without being a citizen.

From: BigWilliam 277 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 4/29/11 1:32 PM
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It's a clarification of the direction the character has taken for the last 20 years now.

From: wolfdeth 46 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 4/29/11 2:48 PM
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Yeah for Superman!!!!! :)

From: paw 1429 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 4/29/11 4:53 PM
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BigWilliam - It's a clarification of the direction the character has taken for the last 20 years now.
Odd, that doesn't appear to be what the publishers believe.

"Superman is a visitor from a distant planet who has long embraced American values," DC's co-publishers Jim Lee and Dan DiDio said Thursday in a statement. "As a character and an icon, he embodies the best of the American Way.  Superman announces his intention to put a global focus on his never-ending battle, but he remains, as always, committed to his adopted home and his roots as a Kansas farm boy from Smallville."





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Posted: 4/29/11 5:02 PM
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 In context, it makes more sense. It may not end up happening. I still don't care about Superman, tho.

From: paw 1429 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
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CharlesLewis -  In context, it makes more sense. It may not end up happening. I still don't care about Superman, tho.

Superman has citizenship with all nations.  Why would he renounce one and only one?

He lives in America.  He works in America.  He's married to an American.  He's currently walking across America to get in touch with his roots, and now he wants to renounce his citizenship?  That's the context here.

From: CharlesLewis 783 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
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 no, in this specific story his actions are being viewed as American aggression. He renounces his citizenship as a response to that perception, then goes into some justification.

As I said, IN THE STORY it makes sense.

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Posted: 4/29/11 7:31 PM
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 That art is awful.



From: BigWilliam 277 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 4/30/11 12:57 AM
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None of that contradicts anything that I said paw. You can believe in the values of the US without being tied to just the US.

From: CharlesLewis 783 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 4/30/11 1:07 AM
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orcus -  That art is awful.



 this too is true

From: paw 1429 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 4/30/11 6:47 AM
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CharlesLewis -  no, in this specific story his actions are being viewed as American aggression. He renounces his citizenship as a response to that perception, then goes into some justification.

As I said, IN THE STORY it makes sense.

How exactly is a person standing in the same spot for 24 hours, saying nothing and doing nothing an act of American aggression? 


From: HEMAN 28 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 4/30/11 10:37 AM
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Batman should start prepping to him down NOW.

From: Leigh 827 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 4/30/11 10:50 AM
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superman's heart is in the right place but he needs to listen to batman more and consult before coming up with these hair-brained ideas. good thing he knuckled under cap in the cross over

From: CharlesLewis 783 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 4/30/11 2:45 PM
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 a PERSON standing and doing nothing might not be, but SUPERMAN is a walking weapon of mass destruction, capable of leveling a country in the proverbial eye blink. 

From: sewich 24 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 4/30/11 5:06 PM
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another reason Marvel>DC

Captain America wouldnt stand for this shit

From: MickColins 154 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 4/30/11 11:42 PM
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 Ultimate Captain America wouldn’t. The main universe Cap is a pussy. 

This is David Goyer being a douche. The shitty part is, I bought that issue since it was the 900th issue of Action Comics or something and it was real good. 

From: Invincible 8 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
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"The main universe Cap is a pussy."

Not lately. ;-)

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