Judge Crosby taken to task for posts on the UG

source: fightopinion.com

Dave Meltzer on the April 13 Observer radio show:

 “Doug Crosby’s in a lot of trouble right now because apparently Doug Crosby went on the Internet and was trolling people on the Internet, you know, and making fun of them and all this, you know as far as they’re ripping on him and he’s making fun of them and that is conduct unbecoming a judge and I know several of the commissions called him and then UFC called him as well and they told him to, you know, do not be, you know… GET OFF THE INTERNET."

"There’s a lot of commissions right now very upset about judges on the Internet. I think that they were very mad at Cecil Peoples when he made that stupid leg kick thing after the Shogun Rua fight with Machida and you know so I think that there’s going to be, you know, one of the new rules judging unofficial rule is like you can’t do 10-10s even though you’re allowed to but everyone knows you really can’t and is that you cannot go out there and troll people on the Internet after you know things, I mean… I don’t see anything wrong with a judge going out there and explaining, unless he’s a fricking moron and explain like well, leg kicks don’t count, well that’s… then he probably shouldn’t be judging, honestly, but I don’t see anything wrong with a judge explaining but a judge should absolutely not be out there making fun of people."

"Then again, you know, I don’t know… The Internet’s a funny thing, I mean, should Dana be on Twitter telling everyone f--- you? And he’s doing that and he’s fricking, he’s the most powerful guy in the whole business! I mean, so, he’s setting quite the example here.”

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Compilation (out of context) of remarks made in thread on the UnderGround:

So….Just returned from Abu Dhabi, and I haven’t been in my duplex more than 20 minutes, when the Doorman calls me on the intercom in a state of panic…

Seems there are hundreds of moaning, howling ghouls in “RVCA” and “Prodigy/Hilo Boy” T-shirts surrounding the building like extras from “Zombieland”…

And they’re chanting “50/45!” over and over, and trying to push their way into the lobby…..

Which gives me a little time to talk to you, my dear friends.

So I’m wondering…..Should I tell you how I scored Penn/Edgar, and why, right now, up front?

But that seems kinda like the Pope or the King back in the day, just writing down what he wants to say, and having one of his burly churls nail it to the door of the church for everyone to read…It seems a bit…distant, a bit ‘above it all’, don’tcha think?

Because God knows I have plenty to say and no shortage of burly churls; no dearth of hulking familiars to do my bidding have I….

Perhaps just announcing my presence is enough for now. Perhaps simply allowing some of you, my faithful friends and fellow MMA devotees, to say what YOU want to say is more….Democratic; more…..Enlightened.

A behaviour more consistent with a Progressive such as myself.

After all, isn’t that my job? Isn’t it incumbent upon me, as a Judge, to make myself available for your criticism? If I take the plane ride, and get to the venue, and score the fights, I have a kind of….Contract with the fans; a contract that specifically allows you to criticize me. And I will be glad to defend the terms of that agreement, even if it means I have to take the weight sometimes.

I knew this was coming as I scored the fight. I knew the inescapable inevitability of criticism was waiting back here. I saw the ride; and I bought a ticket.

So what I’m thinking is…… why deny you guys? You earned the right to say what you think by buying the PPV. Don’t I owe you a little time to say everything you want to say? Isn’t that a better way to continue to build a bridge to the fans? By giving them their say? Isn’t that what I owe you?

Shakespeare wrote


And we all HAVE my scores…..

But what do we….OWE???

So allow me to cast up my accounts with you as equitably as possible, won’t you?

Interestingly, I’ve been slightly taken aback by the response my score for the Penn/Edgar fight has engendered…but not in the way (some of) you guys have responded….I kind of expected that.

What’s been surprising is how many people, at the event, in the hotel, at the airport, fighters, production staff, etc., have told me how glad they were that I scored the FIGHT, and not the FIGHTERS.

Are you guys with me on that, even just a little? Can you understand what I mean by that?

May I also mention that I forgive you?

 For your anger, your insults, and your crassness? NOT all of you….You know who you are. Yes; YOU: Over there, with the purple Nikes on, waiting for the spaceship in the tail of comet to come take you to a world where everyone agrees with you….and YOU over there…the one who thinks his heroes never lose….

So yes, I forgive you. I started this thread knowing that a percentage of you would behave the way you have. I knew you would when I scored the fight as well. I forgave you then.

And even as I forgave you, I prepared myself to defend your right to criticize me, and make myself available for that criticism. Isn’t that something I kind of…started out by saying?

As fans, I owe you that. Remember me saying that….Pages ago? That you have the right to criticize me? Wasn’t I the person who brought that up? Wasn’t I the person who gave you the opportunity to be heard? By the person you are angry with?

Should I even mention that most of the virulent criticisms aren’t even consistent with each other? Or is that ‘condescending’? Which is to say…..are the things you’ve written in these last 7 pages available for criticism as well? Or does suggesting that constitute a similar heresy to my scoring in Penn/Edgar?

The reason last question is because I have to make bit of a decision…..Like I said pages ago; do I just lay out why I scored Penn/Edgar the way i did, and leave it at that? Or do I entertain a….dialogue with you (yes, YOU)? Do I go post-by-post and address your issues, both the rational and the ridiculous, for the sake of a democratic dialogue? Do I pick and choose among the posts for the ones (dissenting or otherwise) I feel are worthy of explanation, refutation, argument? Do I respond to ridicule with ridicule? Viciousness with viciousness? Do I pay each and every one of you with your own currency? Or do I just say what I think as far as that fight, and move on?

I posed that question pages ago. What direction would any of you be inclining towards, were you me? I wonder.

I just took a few moments to go back to the beginning of this thread and re-read everything I said, and the responses it engendered. I recommend it to all of you. My intellectual mentor, Dr. Jacques Vallee’, years ago told me “Seek out your enemies, Douglas, and listen to what they have to say. Than go think for awhile.”

Reading over what’s been said, in both tone and content, has been enlightening.

All of that being said…..

I’ve mentioned numerous times on other threads that the scoring criteria exist for a reason, just like the 10-point “must” system exists for a reason; and that the scoring criteria are guidelines within which Judges arrive at a decision on a round-by-round basis.

It is a Judge’s obligation to interpret the fight and use the criteria as guidelines. But a fight is an observed event that does require interpretation, observation, wisdom.

And, in my considered opinion, Edgar dictated the tone of the fight, successfully implemented and executed a strategy, landed better strikes, and basically outworked Penn.

And that is an interpretation by a ringside observer with an understanding and appreciation of MMA, who has Judged numerous (hundreds) of fights.

 I re-watched the fight in my hotel in Abu Dhabi and saw nothing that would influence me to score it any differently.

I support and encourage your right to criticize my scoring. And I forgive you for your attacks of both a professional, and, regrettably, personal nature.

From commenter Mortality – “50-45 does not mean a fight was lopsided. Every round could have been razor thin but still had the same winner. Some of you don’t seem to understand scoring at all.”

I just printed this out and dropped it out my window. The RVCA/HILO BOY Zombies read it and they all just walked into the sea. Thanks! DC/NYC

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Fake Pie site profile image  

4/14/10 4:20 PM by Fake Pie

What a pompous, narcissistic, attention-whoring douchebag. And I scored the fight the same way.

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4/14/10 4:02 PM by WEEZmatical

Your posting that spot on reference proves we aren't as dumb as he thinks.

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4/14/10 3:05 PM by 2JupitersTooMany


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4/14/10 2:57 PM by Gnarly219

I could have let this thread die, but I was just on ESPN and they did a breakdown of the Strikeforce Card, I found these gems to be rather funny."The bottom line: If nothing else, Lawal will make this difficult for Mousasi, and his wrestling chops could win him a round or two. Unfortunately, winning a round or two doesn't mean a lot in a five-round fight, unless Douglas Crosby happens to be charged with scoring it. Expect Mousasi to snatch hold of a submission after a rough start in a bout that will once again prove why prospects need to be handled with great care.""Strikeforce lightweight championshipGilbert Melendez versus Shinya AokiThe breakdown: As soon as Frankie Edgar and Douglas Crosby put an end to B.J. Penn's UFC lightweight title reign, the bout between Aoki and Melendez took on a whole new significance."

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4/13/10 5:48 PM by EpicBeard

fuck doug crosby

S0ME0NE_BETTER site profile image  

4/13/10 2:53 PM by S0ME0NE_BETTER

...this dude is wierd as fuck, lol. Anyways, i'm also curious how he gave rounds 1-3 to Edgar. Not only that, but how does he argue with Fightmetrics? Its not an oppinion Penn outstruck Edgar, its fact.

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4/13/10 1:36 PM by daba

What's up with this guy? He's suppose to be a professional judge and instead he posts on the UG read like someone has an agenda ("howling ghouls in "RVCA" and "Prodigy/Hilo Boy" T-shirts").Would love to see how he gave rounds 1 - 3 to Edgar. Instead he posts a bunch unprofessional garbage and a summation of the fight which is not a fight is scored. I'd love to know how he thought Edgar won the first two rounds when Penn outstruck Edgar and was the aggressor. Was he smoking crack or is the second coming of Tim Donaghy?

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4/13/10 1:47 AM by OzLoco

The majority of the "please explain" has been re: scoring Rounds 1 and 2 to Frankie, as opposed to protesting that BJ was robbed.Definitely difficult to score rounds 3 and 4.

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4/13/10 1:44 AM by dhughes

[quote]CindyO -  How strange for a judge to come on an MMA board and "share" so much. Odd behavior, IMO. Cindy [/quote]  But really he didn't share much of anything - just talked in circles. Reminds me of this guy:

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4/13/10 1:31 AM by CindyO

 How strange for a judge to come on an MMA board and "share" so much. Odd behavior, IMO. Cindy