Keith Kizer responds to Phan/Garcia scoring controversy

by Jon Luther | source:

“If Joe Rogan wants to get on the air and call people names, that’s his business. I’m not going waste my time responding to that.” says Keith Kizer, head of the NSAC.

“They always say that ‘the UFC has nothing to do with judging.’ Well guess what, they’ve got a big fight coming up in Canada called Koscheck vs. Georges St. Pierre - the UFC and Marc Ratner are flying Tony Weeks up there as a judge. C’mon, Joe. How about some honesty? They’ve taken 90% of our officials with them overseas, as they should. That’s not a knock on Dana and Marc; they know what they’re doing.”

“Yeah, I have a problem with how they scored the third round. Definitely. I mean, they’re both very good judges which makes it all the more surprising.”

“There have been judges that we’ve had here who we’ve sent packing. It didn’t work out. Every judge needs to stay sharp, but everyone makes mistakes.”

“You hear so many people cry ‘robbery’ about this and that. I get emails about it all of the time. I go back and watch the fight, and you say to yourself, ‘What? That wasn’t a robbery. The judges got it right!’”

“A lot of people were saying that about the Rampage vs. Machida fight. Even Dana White said that. You get people who love to overreact. Obviously there are people who want to feel superior than others, trash others. Maybe they are full of some self-hate, some self-pity… maybe that’s Rogan’s piece as well."

“There are ways to criticize professionally, ethically, effectively and legitimately. But then there are ways where you are just trying to make yourself look better.”

Kizer revealed that he approaches evaluating his judges on overall performance. He feels strongly that judges Weeks and Byrd have performed well overall.

“You treat it like a batting average. Say that you score the first 11 rounds of a boxing match right and you get the last round wrong. Sure, you should have gotten it 100% right, but you’ve got a 94% batting average and that’s not bad. But more often than not, when people complain about the judges, they’re just wrong. They are either wrong in the sense that the judges did in fact get it right, or they are wrong in the sense that it wasn’t a robbery and it could have gone either way.”

Although Kizer himself scored all rounds for Nam Phan and finds the criticism difficult to defend this time, he sees an argument that could be put forth for a Garcia victory:

“I’ve been getting all of these e-mails saying ‘What’s wrong with you? Phan dominated every round!’ and they’re wrong. You can’t give Phan that round but you can’t say he dominated. I think MMAWeekly scored that round to Garcia. I think MMAJunkie scored the third round for Garcia. You can’t tell me he ‘dominated’ those rounds.”

“It’s like that one umpire who ruined that perfect game in baseball. You can’t be more wrong than that. But you ask the players and they think that, other than that, he’s one of the best umpires in the sport. He’s a top-5 umpire. You can’t screw up much worse than that, but you don’t get rid of him either.”

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shanoknowsmma site profile image  

12/9/10 10:17 AM by shanoknowsmma

Kizer's comments = Save my own @$$Rogan's comments = Justice for the fighters and for MMA

Vitor29 site profile image  

12/9/10 10:08 AM by Vitor29

Yes who are the fans to question the infallible judge when they do a shitty job? How dare they?!!!

Cyril Jeff site profile image  

12/9/10 9:44 AM by Cyril Jeff

 I actually love this idea.

BUFFGEO site profile image  

12/8/10 6:20 PM by BUFFGEO

The hell with judging all together!Fight to the finish or its a draw for both

801 UNION TAPOUT CLUB site profile image  

12/8/10 4:54 PM by 801 UNION TAPOUT CLUB

Actually, I'm quite intelligent. Probably the smartest submission fighter out there. 801 union fight club coming soon to a title bout in Vegas soon. I lived in a Brazalian prison for 5 years and am ready to kick ass.

Gingerman site profile image  

12/7/10 9:54 PM by Gingerman

Agreed; however, you might not be dumb but point is. Joe made a really a good point. Granted his method may not have been the most professional. But being in his shoes, watching the judges make Big mistakes time and time again, its frustrating. You let it build up and you snap. Rogan reached his point. I was pissed @ nam descion. The thing that sucks is the NSAC is the most credible governing board around and although they frequency of bad descions is astronamical; if the UFC goes with any other judges it will just take away from the credibility and legitamcy of the fight. Damed if you and damed if you dont! Oh and comparing rogan to paris and lindsay was low. No one desrves that dude.

HexRei site profile image  

12/7/10 8:19 PM by HexRei

'10'ers gonna '11 you are dumb. you are really, really dumb.

JerodR site profile image  

12/7/10 7:54 PM by JerodR

<blockquote>Pink Bunkadoo - <blockquote>piratepirate - <blockquote>Pink Bunkadoo - <blockquote>chicagosmma - How is Rogan unprofessional in this? He's a commentator on the sport. That was his opinion. I'll bet half the judges pray for subs and KOs.</blockquote><br /><br />because he does it in the ring by saying shit like this is a controversial decision yada yada yada when he fucking thinks the judges got it wrong. Who the fuck is he? let him take the class, be a judge for sometime, then he can open his yap. <br /><br />when will he learn just because he doesn't like a decision does not mean it was a bad decision. there is criteria, and it is graded subjectively. How the fuck is that wrong? clue-it isn't just because he saw it a different way doesn't mean he should trash the professionals that actually do it.</blockquote>Do you really feel like that was a solid decision and there isn't a problem with judging in MMA?<br /><br />If that is your thinking, seriously fucking go watch baseball or something else.<br /><br /> </blockquote><br /><br />you don't get it. It doesn't matter what I think or what you think-the judges were ringside and saw what they saw from their point of view. They marked their criteria based on their interpretation of the criteria. It is subjective and should not be called out by a pot head in front of everyone. <br /><br />If rogan, or you do not like the decisions, then train to be a judge, go judge and instead of bitching about changes, get in there and make a change-if you think they are so incompetent and you or rogan is much more competent, it shouldn't be that hard. <br /><br />I don't agree with every decision, but it is a subjective decision-so there is no real wrong answer. Who the fuck are you or rogan to tell a judge he did not see what he saw?</blockquote><br /><br />Art is 100% subjective... MMA may be subjective to a point, but there are at least some basic criteria. To better help you as well as some of the current judges out there, perhaps we should go back to the basics....Who won this fight? If you answered the balloon then we might have to go to compustrike to further help you out.(Blue Namer Please...) is pushing the action.

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12/7/10 7:46 PM by 801 UNION TAPOUT CLUB

WOW WHAT A CONTROVERSY!!!!!!!Actually I'm surprised it made it this far. Enough already!!! Rogan whines, cries, bitches about scoring in MMA and the next thing we have a huge problem supposedly. Every sport I have attended from MMA to boxing to world cup soccer to football to strip poker THERE ARE ALWAYS SOME DEGREE OF ERROR AND SOME DEGREES OF DIFFERING OPINION. End of story. But this announcer has to create controversy and attack the Nevada Athletic Commission and Keith Kizer. Why??? To create controversy, create ratings and make oneself more valuable. If Paris and Lindsey do it why not Rogan?? Obviously, the rant was a stunt and it worked. Maybe Rogans contract was up for renewal and he felt compelled to do this. Just a hunch.

jbapk site profile image  

12/7/10 4:44 PM by jbapk

"One judge might think someone trying twenty subs from the bottom is more aggressive, another might think the guy on top doing nothing is more aggressive. How do you reward or punish something for a subjective call?""3. A Judge shall recognize that a fighter on his back in an active guard position, can effectively grapple, through execution of repeated threatening attempts at submission and reversal resulting in continuous defense from the top fighter."This whole discussion would be so much better if people would actually read the judging criteria before mouthing off about it.