Eddie Bravo: Should Roger, Jacare, Bigfoot have pulled guard?

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From: EddieBravo
10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu, www.thetwister.tv
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Is Roger's guard good enough to submit Mo? Is his half guard good enough to sweep Mo?

What about Jacare's bottom game? Bigfoot's?

If all 3 fighters had a rematch and you were coaching them, would you have them all stick to the same strategy?


From: EddieBravo
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The only way pulling guard is gonna work on a fighter you can't take down is if you pull guard and immediately play a clinching style otherwise dude on top will just stand up like Cormier and Overeem did.


From: EddieBravo
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I would only suggest pulling guard to a fighter who has sick bottom game otherwise it's a bad strategy. Phone Post


From: EddieBravo
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Member Since: 5/9/02
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Roger, Jacare and Bigfoot are all Bjj black belts with Roger and Jacare being considered prolly the best of all time.

You would think that they would own anyone off there backs especially wrestlers with only basic Bjj.

In the exact same match ups in gi Jiu Jitsu competition I think Roger, Jacare and Bigfoot would easily sweep and or submit their opponents off their backs.

Should elite submission ninjas like Roger and Jacare focus on winning championship belts with kickboxing?? or should they focus on everything takedown including guard pulling?

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Mocrates site profile image  

9/12/11 4:03 PM by Mocrates

Gokudamus, after watching the fight again, I agree with you.Roger needs to improve his footwork, namely cutting off the cage, and his striking to cage clinch transition.If he can learn to do that, then he can draw the fight to his guard, and be able to succeed against wrestle-boxers of Mo's caliber.Until then, I think this fight demonstrates the why a pure sport grappler will not have an easy transition into MMA.A great example of a relatively successful sport grappler transitioning to MMA is Demian Maia.If you watch his fight with Sonnen, you will see that Maia used the cage clinch to toss Sonnen on his head, and then proceeded to work his mount/guard game to the finish.I think Maia's strategy should serve as a template for other sport grapplers transitioning into MMA.Alternatively, they could train with Randy Couture.

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9/12/11 2:04 PM by Magnum TA

Wrestlers are bigger, stronger, faster, tougher, more athletic etc. Pulling guard is not going to negate this. In fighting the guy with the better physical intangibles will win 95% of the time when skill is equal or anything close to it.

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9/12/11 9:28 AM by Dooky Belt Deluxe

Roger and Jacare have as good a bottom game as anyone on the planet. so YES.Bigfoot Im not so sure.... Cormier was like a foot shorter than him and sometimes holding a little fire hydrant in your guard like that is troublesome...

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9/12/11 8:42 AM by SingleTMat

I don't think Bigfoot threw a single jab. Isn't that what you're supposed to do when you have a foot reach advantage?

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9/12/11 8:02 AM by Gokudamus stole my name

Your strategy involves Roger having 10x the striking ability he did this weekend. He attempted to clinch many times in that fight however Lawals footwork and use of angles negated it every time. Off the top of my head, Roger trid to grab for a clinch one time and got countered with a left hook as Mo angled off. The difference in skill was too much

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9/12/11 7:41 AM by stonepony

Yeah, it's just too easy for the superior wrestler to keep the grappler out of position. JJ fighters will catch on and realize that they need to go back to school. Like Hughes said. They're going to have to come to terms with the fact that they NEED a wrestling foundation to make their grappling effective.

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9/12/11 5:51 AM by Mocrates

I have not seen the Jacare fight yet, but I believe Roger should have used his guard.Roger's best shot at successfully putting Mo in guard would have been to cut off the ring with foot work, and then drive Mo into the cage with a Randy style Greco clinch. After successfully pinning Mo to the cage, he could have then pulled guard, drawn Mo down, fixed on his trademark body triangle to keep him down, and then worked his game.If he had managed this, I think he would have won.I believe this was the only way for Roger to succeed, because it seemed he was not able to take Mo down with a shot or a cageless clinch.

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9/12/11 5:25 AM by Winston Wolf

what i dont get about BJJ is they love to ground fight and are the best at it but shouldnt they become experts at takedowns first ? that is why they are getting destroyed in MMA because they are great on the ground but not great at getting the fight there and everyone knows it including their opponnent

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9/12/11 4:42 AM by Magnum TA

They train in submissions not "sub defense." They both come with the territory of learning the techniques.

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9/12/11 3:15 AM by HexRei

No its not. It's just everyone at the top level trains sub defense now, so it alone isn't enough to win fights anymore. MMA has evolved indeed.