Is Greg Jackson ruining MMA?

source: The Underground

UGBG (Underground Blog Guest Blogger) Ian Peterkin offers a historical perspective on Guida vs Maynard. Read more of Ian's work at

“Come on and fight!”

That’s what Jack Dempsey screamed in the ring in 1927, frustrated with the defensive style of his opponent, Gene Tunney. Dempsey was revered for his power punches and willingness to exchange. Tunney, not exactly a fan favorite, was a thinking man, and out-pointed Dempsey in their two fights.

Similar displays of frustration and disgust were evident in the Nick Diaz/Carlos Condit and Clay Guida/Gray Maynard fights. Nick Diaz slapped Carlos Condit in an effort to make him exchange, and Gray Maynard dropped his hands in order to make Guida do the same. Following both fights, the UG lit up with fans decrying the game planning of Greg Jackson and his protégés. Some of that criticism is warranted, but so is Jackson’s position on the matter. He insists that the game plan in both fights was to stick and move. Rather than witnessing “good footwork,” as Kenny Florian said about Guida/Maynard, fans literally watched one fighter run after another. Footwork is about quick in-and-outs and circling, not making your opponent do an all out sprint.

Jack Dempsey once had this to say of boxing: “You’re in there for three-minute rounds with gloves on and a referee. That’s not real fighting.” What he meant by this is that it is fighting, but also a sporting contest. The same can be said of MMA. The sport is governed by athletic commissions, and there are certain rules by which participants and their coaches must abide. Greg Jackson is fully aware of that. He implements game plans for his fighters to win on points. Sometimes game planning makes for ugly fights.

Perhaps no one was more upset with the UFC on FX 4 main event than Gray Maynard. After the fight, Maynard said, "A couple steps, I understand that. You’re still in the pocket. You’re still there, able to hit me. But you’ve got to understand, it’s a fight, still. You can’t just go to the end of the cage and then back to the other end and back to the other end the whole time. You’ve got to give me a chance, too." However, Clay Guida said, “I think mixed martial arts is, the guy who gets hit the least, usually is the victor.”

Who is right?

The objective in any fight is to inflict damage, while mitigating injury to one’s self. Did Clay Guida do that? Somewhat. Was it fun to watch? No. Dan Miragliotta, the referee for the fight, threatened to take away a point from Guida. Despite all his movement and short jabs, Guida lost by split decision, so the judges made the right decision—this time. For his efforts in the cage, Guida received deafening boos and will most likely find himself on the bottom of a future card. The UFC brass is not wont to rewarding “boring” performances. So, how exactly is Greg Jackson ruining the sport?


tags: UFC   Greg Jackson   Clay Guida (detail)  Gray Maynard (detail)  


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SickEyeDiaz site profile image  

8/23/12 11:03 AM by SickEyeDiaz

^^^ bravo....just bravo! Well put

ortman166 site profile image  

8/23/12 10:59 AM by ortman166

So you agree condit won because incompetent judges? Interesting...

UGCTT_LnPninja site profile image  

8/23/12 10:37 AM by UGCTT_LnPninja

  Boom goes the dynamite

show no mercy site profile image  

8/23/12 10:31 AM by show no mercy

man, your arguments were weak, now youre grasping at straws and making it ridiculous.people can point to fight stats all they want, but all you have to do is ask a fan if they like watching guida or fitch, or see where these guys are placed on a card or how sparingly they actually get on cards now to see how far theyve fallen.when you start playing statistical games to win inside the rules, and not fighting and being entertaining, that ruins the one is talking about guida or fitch unless they are making fun of them (or white knighting them - you), and no one cares about condit vs gsp...they could skip that and put nick diaz on either of those fights and instantly people would care again. the reason is because they know hes going to actually try to finish and leave a mark on his opponent when its all over - fighting a fight and pleasing the fans. you dont just run around throwing air strikes and leg kicks without any power just to make sure the judges tally it.jackson is a puppet master, but the real fighters dont let him control the strings. guys like cerrone and garcia - who had FIGHTING backgrounds before jacksons - dont listen to his shit, and therefore fight hard and get finishes, and LOTS of fights. look at how much cerrone has fought in comparison to guida or fitch. the reason is exactly what this thread is about: people will pay for exciting, and no one wants to see controlled point getting.

UGCTT_Winnson site profile image  

8/23/12 10:11 AM by UGCTT_Winnson

If I could vote that up I would. It will be the death of this sport if found acceptable.

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8/23/12 10:07 AM by Stea1th


Stea1th site profile image  

7/18/12 11:34 AM by Stea1th

Watching some of jackson's fighters is like watching water boil. BORING.

ranier wolfcastle site profile image  

7/6/12 7:31 PM by ranier wolfcastle

 this cannot go unnoticed

stonepony site profile image  

7/4/12 7:46 PM by stonepony

You brought up Fitch. Fail. I didn't say Guida won. Fail.Learn to read some time. It will help.

SlyStallowned site profile image  

7/4/12 7:40 PM by SlyStallowned

Threw more? So what? Did he hurt Maynard? No.Did Maynard hit Guida with more damaging shots and press the action? Yes. Hence Maynard won the fight. I'm done with this though. You are an absolute moron and this discussion is going nowhere. I already shut you down on your Fitch argument, and now you are honestly going to tell me Guida "won" that fight with a "great" gameplan? Hahaha you are nuts!