Penn: VADA testing at 'standstill'

by John Morgan | source:

"Everything can be negotiated," Penn said. "I would even suggest to VADA if you want me to pay for it – because they're doing the sponsorship thing – if I pay for it, can we release the results after the fight? I've expressed this many times to Victor Conte, who is one of the people who is heavily involved with VADA.

"My hands are tied. I'm not trying to put any pressure on the people who are trying to make me money, but if Dana White doesn't get paid, B.J. Penn doesn't get paid."

Anti-doping supporters, including's own Dr. Johnny Benjamin, contend that manipulating VADA's process essentially undermines the integrity of the entire program.

"If every time a fight comes up it becomes 'Let's Make a Deal,' the process becomes tainted very quickly and not worth the time or effort," Benjamin recently wrote in his "Ask the Fight Doc" column. "How will your opponent or regulating bodies know you didn't cut some sort of preferential deal?"

Penn realizes his offer isn't the ultimate finish line for drug-testing in the sport, but he also believes it could be an important step in the right direction, leading the UFC and VADA to develop a mutually beneficial relationship. In short, testing results would not jeopardize the UFC 152 matchup, but Penn and MacDonald could provide high-profile guinea pigs for both VADA and the UFC to familiarize themselves with each other.

As such, Penn hopes VADA will at least consider his idea in hopes that it could someday result in a more in-depth testing procedure for all MMA fighters, especially in markets like Toronto where the Ontario Athletic Commission has previously passed the responsibility on to promoters.

"As of now, with the VADA thing, we're just kind of at a little bit of a standstill because I know this is a professional sport," Penn said. "From what I understand, Toronto doesn't even have a policy if you test positive for steroids. I doubt there will even be a steroid test when we get there. So as far as I know, who knows what's going to be standing across the ring from you? Is it going to be a regular man or Superman? You don't know."

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Orcus Knows MMA Better Than Goku site profile image  

7/18/12 10:42 AM by Orcus Knows MMA Better Than Goku

 i dont think showing results before the fight is an option at this point..i dont thinkt he ufc will allow despite all their talk about wanting to clean up the sport...if its the fighters that are concerned about it, they should just have a side agreement where if one is popped he pays the show and win money of the other fighter... and if thats not an option, i dont think we throw our hands in the air and just call it a vada testing with results after...thats better on every level than doing the current testing only which is easy to cheat...

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7/18/12 10:30 AM by Orcus Knows MMA Better Than Goku

yes, but the point is, there are two options at this point: 1) current testing (LOL) 2) vada testing with results after the right between the two, 2 is much much much much better  

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7/18/12 10:18 AM by figure four

Mayweather please take note...Get tested and then disclose test...after the fightWill prove you ain't chicken

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7/18/12 9:04 AM by lionsoul


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7/17/12 11:30 PM by fightcity

Geeze then you put up the money to promote a fight that could get cancelled if someone test dirty. BJ is trying to Get UFC on board they are not going to have another Overeem incident and lose money promoting a fight that risks not happening. Most state AC's test afterward too. What's the fucking problem? VADA is full of it. Do it how UFC wants it done and get UFC on board or get the fuck out. How hard is that? they act like they are making some moral stand its all bullshit its not a big deal to wait till after to release the results. Instead these idiots are going to lose the UFC and thier opportunity to become the standard. As BJ said its a step in the right direction, they can get thier foot in the door and then plead their cause to the masses. It cost money to do what the UFC does and they are in the business of making a profit not risking it all on some obscure companies moral stand on releasing it before or after the show... Geeze people need to get a clue... Sigh!

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7/17/12 10:54 PM by lionsoul

LOL at all the Bitches somehow suggesting that BJ Penn is wrong to push for this. Maybe Tristar is a bastion of cheaters, greasers and roiders.  If they aren't - they should have no problem with this. LOL a the losers suggesting that BJ is being unreasonable for wanting a fair fight. This push by him solidifies him (IMO) as the GOAT along with Fedor.

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7/17/12 9:16 PM by stillmatic

 It deters fighters from cheating, but they're still getting caught.  Andre Berto and Lamont Peterson were willing participants in VADA, but they still tested positive.   LIke I said, we're talking about fighter safety here as well.  The cheating fighter is getting an unfair advantage and is trying to inflict damage on their opponent.  This would be a huge black mark on MMA if someone were to test positive, be allowed to fight and then injure someone seriously in the cage when they should have never been allowed to fight in the first place.  VADA testing with results witheld would be better than what we have now, but it's still not acceptable.  The big hurdle here is the UFC, which is not willing to support VADA testing and BJ doesn't seem like he wants to piss them off either.  He also wants to make sure he gets paid and the fight doesn't just get scrapped which would cost him money out of pocket.  

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7/17/12 9:08 PM by georgejonesjr

I agree with your summary, except you're leaving out the third (and in my opinion best) option:vada testing + results before the fight = strongest deterent against cheating, and the cheating fighter doesn't get to fight at all. I agree current testing is a joke, but I'd say that's an argument to tightening the testing, not to only releasing the results afterwards.

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7/17/12 9:04 PM by georgejonesjr

Yes, but isn't that the point? If someone is cheating (PED's, greasing to the point where it can't be wiped out, doctored gloves etc), shouldn't the fight be canceled, rather than letting them take advantage of their cheating?

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7/17/12 6:40 PM by Orcus Knows MMA Better Than Goku

i disagree.. vada testing + results after the fight = strong deterrent against juicing, although admittedly, the cheating fighter still gets to fight no vada testing = no deterrent + cheating fighter gets to fight, keeps the record and keeps his money don't see how showing the results after the fight isnt an incremental step in the right direction...i mean, isnt this how the nsac operates anyways right now? when people get popped its usually after the fight..but nsac testing is a least with vada testing, its much harder to cheat