Rogan refutes claim he blacklisted Dr. Johnny Benjamin

source: The Underground
 

Dr. Johnny Benjamin, known widely in MMA as "The Fight Doc" was a guest on Punch Drunk Radio, and related that he feels he has been blacklisted by both Dana White and Joe Rogan.

Dr. Benjamin's popular column at MMAJunkie is generally informed, useful, and widely appreciated, but at times the straight shooting edges into something else. At times, he is factually incorrect, and worse.

In 2008 he questioned Pat Miletich fighting Thomas Denny, noting of himself that he is "a pretty fair, fellowship-trained spine surgeon." Benjamin asked rhetorically "Isn't this the same Pat Miletich who retired because of a serious neck injury – then underwent surgery to address a herniated disk in his neck? Same guy, right?" He then went on to say Miletich's "safety is very open for debate."

The problem is that Pat Miletich had not, in fact, undergone surgery.

As Miletich reported via Twitter, the column cost him $4,000.

@DrJCBenjamin wrote I shouldn't fight after neck surgery. Thr was no surgery n cost me 4k 4 extra tests 2 fight.

Miletich knocked Denny out early in the 2nd round.

His 2009 remarks that women should not fight five-round championship fights due to the dangers of fatigue struck many as lurching somewhere between paternalistic and ludicrous, a sad holdover from a mentality that mercifully passed in the early 70s.

In 2010 he accused the UFC and ProElite of 'promotional lynching' for putting Kimbo Slice in the limelight. Given that the 'lynching' made Slice a millionaire (his TapouT contract alone was 50k/month) and that actual lynching kills people, the word choice was unfortunate.

In 2011 Dr. Benjamin said UFC marketing appeals to racism.

Part of the popularity of the UFC seems to be related to the domination of the white male wrestler.  I think it may be seen as one of the last sporting bastions of white male superiority.

Simply put.  The UFC/MMA ,in large part, appeals to a young, white male demographic because young, white males are very good at it.  They can cheer for their own, drink with their own and feel good about it when their guy wins.

Do I think that the UFC and/or Dana White are racists?

Nope...not at all.

Does Dana understand his fan base (for better or worse) and markets to them like any successful businessperson...even if it appeals a deep-seated human deficiency?

Yes sir!

Later in 2011 he took Joe Rogan to task for statement's Rogan made during UFC commentary.

Rogan came on the UG and corrected the doctor authoritatively.

From: Joe Rogan
Posted: 6/13/11 3:40 PM
Member Since: 1/1/01
Posts: 5210

Seems like a nit picky article aimed at getting some attention.

Good to see it backfired. 

I'll address a few points really quickly. 

"Dr. Rogan stated after the highlight-reel knockout of Yves Edwards at the formidable hands of Sam Stout that keeping one's eyes open while "asleep" after a KO was a bad sign. Incorrect.

A "bad sign" was when Edwards' body became rigid/stiff and his legs began to shake uncontrollably (convulse). The observation of his eyes being open is visually compelling for the television audience, though it's immaterial from a medical viewpoint. An athlete experiencing a seizure after suffering a concussion is a medical matter that requires prompt and proper attention and appropriate follow-up."

Incorrect?  Really? It means he's completely out cold rather than just knocked down and hurt.  That most certainly IS a bad sign.  It's ALSO a bad sign to see him stiff and shaking.

For a doctor to correct that seems extremely silly.

"The comment was made that repeated inside-leg/thigh kicks (Donald Cerrone's leg/thigh attack of Vagner Rocha serves as a perfect illustration) cause a great deal of pain/damage because of impact to the femoral artery.

Oooh so close. But nevertheless, incorrect.

The correct answer is femoral nerve. Actually the femoral nerve – not artery – lies more directly in the path of such a blow and carries the pain and motor signals to a large portion of the leg/thigh. Too bad there's no such thing as partial credit in medicine."

Again, pretty fucking nit picky.  The femoral artery and nerve are right next to each other, and when you take a muay thai class, they tell you to target that area.  The pain indeed does come from the nerve, but if you think there's nothing damaging about slamming your shin bone at 60 miles an hour into one of the biggest arteries in the human body maybe you shouldn't be practicing medicine.







"During the main event, Shane Carwin was forced to breathe through his gaping mouth due to the blood and trauma to his nose. Rogan then commented that breathing with his mouth open during a fight is potentially dangerous because it would make Carwin more susceptible to getting hit (or have difficulty avoiding a strike).

Not exactly."

I don't believe that's what I said.  What I believe I said, and what I always say when someone has a broken nose is that he's forced to breathe out of his mouth with his mouth wide open and that makes him more susceptible to getting knocked out, which is correct. 

However, having your mouth wide open DOES make him more susceptible to getting hit, by the way, because it forces him to keep his head up to breath out of his mouth which is improper technique.  So, again, he's being a nit picky douche.

Anyway, in closing I would like to thank the good doctor for all the kind words about my commentary, but I think this article was nothing more than a cry for attention, which I have happily obliged.

Also, Doctor, if you really wrote this article below you're a goof and no one should take anything you say seriously again.

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Earlier in 2012, Dr. Benjamin directly implied Frank Mir wrecked his body with past steroid abuse.

"How many people who never wrecked their bodies with past steroid use, naturally need TRT at 33? Less than one or two percent," he wrote of Mir.

Dr. Benjamin is not an Endocrinologist, and never treated Frank Mir.

Setting aside the growing evidence of a tie between head trauma and low testosterone levels, given that far less than 1% of the 15,000 registered fighters in the sport have received a TUE (the number is close to .1%) the remarks by a respected MD seem ill-thought through and unfair, even reckless.

Recently on Punch Drunk Radio (see entire interview at bottom), Dr. Benjamin said he felt he had been blacklisted by the UFC and by Joe Rogan.

Host: "For those of us that watch the UFC, you often times, especially in the heat of the moment, in a big fight or in a really dramatic exchange, you hear Joe Rogan get very excited (laughs in the background). All the time, and it's "the career's over" or "it's the fight of the century" or whatever it is, he's excited and he's selling the product. I get it. But, there are a lot of times that it doesn't take him but 20 seconds into a fight to start becoming "Dr. Joe". (Inaudible) what they do to the fighters and all that. Do you find that to be just something to fill the airtime when he's saying it or is that something that bothers you at all?

Dr. Benjamin: "Well, it doesn't bother me. I wrote an article a year or so ago, and I was just poking fun at Joe Rogan, because I thought he pokes fun at everybody surely he can take it, and I was doing it tongue and cheek. And, I was correcting some of the things he had said during the fight that weren't accurate. Oh my god, I mean oh good lord! I never knew so many guys had a man crush on Joe Rogan! I mean, people were threatening me, calling me all kinds of names. I had to tell them where my office is, if they wanted to come deal with it- where they could come find me. Nobody showed up. I mean, it was amazing how many people though they needed to come and stand up for Joe Rogan's manhood or something! I couldn't believe it.

"But, you know he (Joe Rogan) has a huge following. One of the funny things about Joe Rogan, to me, is I think he's a very interesting guy. He's very funny. I listened, I've seen a couple of his podcast's. The thing about Joe is, Joe knows something about everything! I mean, I've never seen anybody who has a breath of knowledge of Joe Rogan. I mean, where did this guy go to college? Because, he got an education that  was far superior to mine! He knows something about the lunar landing (laughing), he knows something about, I mean… and I say this all in jest, but I mean Joe Rogan knows a lot about a lot of things."

Host: "I think you need to go on his podcast, Dr. Benjamin."

Dr. Benjamin: Well, you know what's funny is, I said something one time and he jumped on me on Twitter and was like 'Oh, I'd love to have you on my podcast!' I said I'd be on the podcast sometime. Then the next thing you know when I was going through my on-again-off-again love affair with Dana White, where we were gonna sit down and talk about some of these issues, I guess when Dana decided I was persona non grata, all conversation with Joe Rogan stopped. I mean, he wanted nothing else to do with Johnny Benjamin. So,  guess I'm on the UFC and Joe Rogan blacklist at this point.

Again, Rogan came on the UG, and had to offer a correction.

From: Joe Rogan
Member Since: 1/1/01
Posts: 5575

I never pulled anything back, I just never followed up.  I thought the TRT steroids connection he made was pretty "off" for a doctor to make without actually talking to a patient knowing that there are many things that cause someone to have low testosterone.  We actually agree on a lot of things, though.  I would certainly still have him on the podcast.  I'll reach out to him.

It certainly wasn't that I black listed him, or that anyone told me not to have him on, just to clarify.

--

Just for the record I get new requests for the podcast every single day.  I'm managing it all myself, and I get behind ALL the time.

It appears that Dr. Benjamin, ordinarily an immensely useful resource for the MMA community, has once again taken a puzzling turn that serves no one.

 

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mmavixen site profile image  

9/6/12 10:25 PM by mmavixen

 I really don't care for Dr. Bejamin.  I remember one article on MMA Junkie where he said thought MMA audiences were racist because they didn't like Chandella as a ring girl.  After that, I ignore any article he's cited in.

mmavixen site profile image  

9/6/12 10:25 PM by mmavixen

 I really don't care for Dr. Bejamin.  I remember one article on MMA Junkie where he said thought MMA audiences were racist because they didn't like Chandella as a ring girl.  After that, I ignore any article he's cited in.

Clarence Parents site profile image  

9/6/12 10:18 PM by Clarence Parents

The fact that you took the time to write that long post about him says to me that he at least has a special place in your heart.

Clarence Parents site profile image  

9/6/12 10:18 PM by Clarence Parents

The fact that you took the time to write that long post about him says to me that he at least has a special place in your heart.

JeffersonDArcyChoke site profile image  

9/6/12 10:15 PM by JeffersonDArcyChoke

Fuck Johnny Benjamin. Nope, I'm not calling him Doctor. He is Johnny Benjamin to me. He isn't my physician and I'm not seeing him in his office so I don't feel the need to do the Doctor stuff. Johnny Benjamin is a smug, cunty, douchebag who is trying desperately to carve out a niche in a growing sport. His goal is to be the first doctor to really get his foot in the door so that he can realize his dream which is to be around fighters, the fight game and enjoy a modicum of celebrity. He is insecure. Definitely the type of guy to buy the red sports car and get vanity plates. Definitely the one who lets the whole bar know he is a doctor. He is a douchebag. I recall one of his articles where he took Joe to task over how he described a guy bleeding. It was so cunty. Whatever Joe said, Benjamin corrected with "it's called bleeding" and went on with his usual games of semantics that end with his signature fart smelling smirk and a rant against white people. Fuck him and it's not about a man crush on Joe. I just don't want that ass to get any more pub than he is already getting.

JeffersonDArcyChoke site profile image  

9/6/12 10:15 PM by JeffersonDArcyChoke

Fuck Johnny Benjamin. Nope, I'm not calling him Doctor. He is Johnny Benjamin to me. He isn't my physician and I'm not seeing him in his office so I don't feel the need to do the Doctor stuff. Johnny Benjamin is a smug, cunty, douchebag who is trying desperately to carve out a niche in a growing sport. His goal is to be the first doctor to really get his foot in the door so that he can realize his dream which is to be around fighters, the fight game and enjoy a modicum of celebrity. He is insecure. Definitely the type of guy to buy the red sports car and get vanity plates. Definitely the one who lets the whole bar know he is a doctor. He is a douchebag. I recall one of his articles where he took Joe to task over how he described a guy bleeding. It was so cunty. Whatever Joe said, Benjamin corrected with "it's called bleeding" and went on with his usual games of semantics that end with his signature fart smelling smirk and a rant against white people. Fuck him and it's not about a man crush on Joe. I just don't want that ass to get any more pub than he is already getting.

Meohfumado site profile image  

9/6/12 9:05 PM by Meohfumado

Knowing many, many doctors...I'm always wary of the ones who seem more interested in getting their name in the news, than on legit journal articles, etc.There's a car-salesman side to them and their self-promotion that is somewhat disconcerting....but that just might be me.

Meohfumado site profile image  

9/6/12 9:05 PM by Meohfumado

Knowing many, many doctors...I'm always wary of the ones who seem more interested in getting their name in the news, than on legit journal articles, etc.There's a car-salesman side to them and their self-promotion that is somewhat disconcerting....but that just might be me.

Scream13 site profile image  

9/6/12 8:35 PM by Scream13

he goes through all of this in the interview, I asked him that specifically... maybe find out for yourself, i know crazy thought.

Scream13 site profile image  

9/6/12 8:35 PM by Scream13

he goes through all of this in the interview, I asked him that specifically... maybe find out for yourself, i know crazy thought.



 

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