Woodley: Rogan commentary was 'horrendous'

 

Like Apple Computers, the success of the UFC rests in large part on a look and feel that is at once difficult to define, and defining. The UFC is a cross between a sporting event and a rock concert, where everyone is edgy with tension, waiting for the HOLY F@$%ING $#!@ moment that will punctuate their evening.

Central to that look and feel is color commentator Joe Rogan, who began working for the UFC at UFC 12: Judgment Day, when the sport was less than four years old.

At UFC 171, Tyron Woodley fought Carlos Condit, getting the better of him in the fight, before a double leg takedown injured Condit's leg, ending things shortly afterwards, at 2:00 of Round 2.

At several points in the fight, Rogan referenced Woodley's endurance. 

"It's fun to hit that gas, but you're not going to make it to Vegas." said Rogan two minutes into the fight, as transcribed by MMAFighting. A minute later he said "Woodley's slowing down already." And at the opening of the second round, Rogan continued. "You can see his stomach moving. He's taking some deep breaths. It's certainly not the Tyron Woodley that came out in the first round, fresh."

The simple fact is that Tyron Woodley does seem to do better earlier in a fight than later. In his last five fights, he beat Josh Koscheck and Jay Hieron spectacularly in the first, and lost to Jake Shields in three, and was KOed by Nate Marquardt in the fourth.

At the end of the night, Rogan said he would like to see Rory MacDonald get the next title shot at Johny Hendricks (rather than Woodley or Hector Lombard or Nick Diaz, etc.)

However things may have appeared to a neutral observer, in an interview with MMA Mental, Woodley took pointed exception to Rogan's remarks, and offered how the fight felt from his perspective.

"It's almost like they're punishing you for training hard," said Woodley. "They're punishing you for being physically fit. I think Joe Rogan is horrendous for his commentary that he did for that fight. Everything was, 'Oh, Tyron threw a hard bomb but Carlos took it. He's got such a great chin. Oh, Tyron has a takedown. Look at Carlos. He's doing the mission impossible guard.' Everything that I did he was leaning it towards the credit of Carlos Condit.

"I think sometimes when you watch a fight and you listen to the commentary you can kind of veer the spectators, and hopefully not the UFC, in directions it shouldn't be going."

"I was not wincing. I was not in any harm or any danger at any point in the fight. My cardio felt great and it was even in my gameplan to increase the level in the third round. I wasn't even at full speed. People say, 'He started off hard! He started off in a full sprint!' I didn't even start off in a full sprint. If they think that's a full sprint for me, then I'm happy with it because they haven't seen a full sprint yet."

A number of fans on the UG had questioned Rogan's choice of MacDonald as the next title contender, and Rogan answered.

"The production had a list of fighters that are listed in the top contenders that they wanted me to pick one guy to challenge the title after the end of the event," explained  Rogan. "It's only my opinion and it certainly doesn't mean that fighter will get the next shot.  The reason I went with Rory is what I stated:  I thought Woodley looked awesome, but the reality is Carlos blew his knee out on the take down and then it gave out when Tyron kicked him.  Tyron was really impressive in the opening of the 1st with his insane speed and ability to close the distance and I would LOVE to see him fight anyone.  For the title or not.  The guy is a stud.  It was just my opinion given the information in front of me after that event that if I had to choose  one guy I would have to go with Rory."

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Jumbo Reverse Shrimp site profile image  

3/20/14 4:39 PM by Jumbo Reverse Shrimp

They should ban commentary other than announcements and play Bach during the fights.

businessbhoy site profile image  

3/20/14 4:27 PM by businessbhoy

Joe makes a big deal in his podcast about his independent mind and how he can't watch bullshit unfold and just sit there.Seems to do a good job of this at zuffa though (ped's/match making et al)

sadic1 site profile image  

3/20/14 2:12 PM by sadic1

I think Rogan is irresponsible with his commentary sometimes, and it does affect how some viewers see the fights and fighters. In addition to his comments about Woodly and Lombard, he was practically retiring Diego Sanchez the ENTIRE fight, strongly implying that he is too old and slow and failing to adapt. In all these cases, it's not so much that he mentions these ideas, but he really fucking HARPS on them. I don't know if in his mind he is just filling space by repeating himself, but it gives the impression that the fighters he is talking about are worse or performing worse than they are. Personally, I think Diego should slap him. There's a guy who was a good draw on the original TUF, has been a great fighter in the organization, and has always put it on the line for fans, and he is getting toward the end of his career. WHy you gonna try to fuck up his last paydays by downing him like that?

DoomFarmer site profile image  

3/20/14 10:52 AM by DoomFarmer

I wipe my ass with delusions.I'm afraid we are going to have to agree to disagree.This "turning of the tide" everyone keeps mentioning in Condit's favor flat out did not happen.He fared slightly better in the 2nd round, sure., but that isn't saying much.

Osbot site profile image  

3/20/14 8:52 AM by Osbot

You're delusional.Round 1, TW pushing the pace, pushing Condit around. TW coming forward, CC going backwards. Towards the end of the round TW starts to visibly slow.Round 2, Condit pushing the pace. CC coming forward, TW going backwards. TW shooting for takedowns.Difference between round 1 and 2 is pretty stark. Woodley was winning round 2 as well when the fight ended and unless something dramatic happened was going to win a decision.However, in round 1 CC had nothing for TW, nothing at all. He barely was able to strike, all he did was eat big shots and get thrown around.In round 2, he ate a couple big shots, but he was getting off on TW who was going backwards. Instead of throwing CC around and dominating him in striking, in the second round TW was opting to shoot on CC and then just stay in his guard with minimal activity.A fighter doesn't dramatically change their plan in a fight unless they have to change it. If TW wasn't tiring there is no reason for him to stop doing what he did in round 1. The fact that he lost the impetus in the stand up is evidence enough of him tiring.Round 3 certainly would have looked even better for Condit. The only real question would have been, could TW continue to take CC down at ease in the third? If so then likely Woodley wins a 3-0 decision.

Osbot site profile image  

3/20/14 8:42 AM by Osbot

Being a good fighter doesn't make you smart.People need to understand that the biggest part of Rogans job is to sell a compelling fight to the audience. That means blowing smoke up your ass at times.Condit getting dominated in the first round isn't very compelling for the audience if Joe is saying shit like..."Carlos has nothing for Woodley, Woodley is dominating this match at will wherever it goes"Rogan is doing his job by building Condit up in this moment, hinting to the audience that Condit is durable and that he isn't getting COMPLETELY blown away. Insinuating that the fight could begin to shift towards Carlos builds anticipation. He also wasn't wrong. Woodley has a documented case of lackofgastankitis. Carlos is known for his. Longer the fight goes on the better chance Carlos would have to assert control.Random Joes in a bar or at home somewhere are saying to each other."Oh shit man, this Condit guy is getting smashed, but Joe just said he could come back cause he's hard as nails and has great conditioning and this other dude who is using his face as a speed bag isn't known for his conditioning. FUCK BRO, this shit is crazy!"Joe's job isn't just as the color man, it is to provide a compelling narrative to the fight. Sometimes he is building up the wrecking machine uber favorite. Sometimes in a huge fight he is hyping up the guy losing to make people think he has a shot at coming back. Sometimes the guy who is supposed to win easily is in a super hard fight and Joe gets excited like everyone else does and focuses hard on what the underdog is doing right.Stop crying like a bunch of little bitches.

luctaro site profile image  

3/20/14 8:06 AM by luctaro

Joe does tend to talk about his favorite topics a lot, some times over what's actually going on in the cage.Its like some storyline you develop to help you carry you, because you are talking for like 6 straight hours about fighting.Remember the fascination with Diamonds MMA? And he loves leg kicks so much he many times calls the leg kick over a hard punch to face in an exchange. Watch again Anderson Silva vs James Irvin to see the spider destroy Irvin while Joe praises Irvin's leg kick.And anytime a human with muscles shows up he starts talking about the negative impact of it and how you have impending doom heading your way because of it. Its just talking points Tyron. Its not personal.

CapnKindBud site profile image  

3/20/14 6:50 AM by CapnKindBud

Only this fight didn't go the full distance because of a freak accident. Not from a power slam but from a defensive takedown. Condit was starting to find Woodley with shots against the cage and Woodley went for the takedown .Tyron was winning the fight but by no means did he beat Condit. He caught him with a few punches that Condit shook off and was winning the fight but ....... He didn't really beat Condit. Everyone knows that. And Condit sure as hell didn't beat him or wasn't beating himBut the third rd never played out. Would Woodley have gassed? He has before. And been beaten because of it . We know that Condit wasn't gonna gas and in fact there was a good case that he may have come on stronger in the third. He has before.If you were scoring points, Woodley was winning. But he didn't beat Condit and they need a rematch if Condit fights again to have the answer . Woodley talking so much shit after the fight (and GLADLY accepting credit for Condit's leg injury) , tells me that he is relieved that the fight played out that way. He's not being a sportsman and saying that he wants a rematch when Condit heals or anything.He is saying that he deserves a title shot and that he flipped Condit's sub attempt off of him like a booger and other stupid shit. Or talking shit about Rogan. He is a very unlikable guy and he is acting like he knocked Condit out and I'm sayin that he didn't. !

Deaf Forever site profile image  

3/20/14 6:23 AM by Deaf Forever

Woodley is right. Joe was ridiculously biased.

Blazing Knees site profile image  

3/20/14 6:14 AM by Blazing Knees

And if anyone belives that Woodley is not genetically predispsed to be built like he is, then you need to read up on genetics a little bit. You can tell that Woodley was one of those kids that works out once a week and looked like a  dedicated weightlifter. Dude probably had developed pecs in the 5th grade. I don't think he's in that great of shape, he just looks like he is.