Elvis Sinosic: 'The old guard is gone'

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The old guard is gone...

From: Elvis
Member Since: 1/1/01
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The old guard have been surpassed, the new generation have arrived and they bigger and better. The greats of old, Fedor, Nog, Shogun, Cro Cop, Wand and so forth have been replaced. Though the old guard may in some cases remain competitive it seems the new generation of fighters have stepped up to the plate, Cain, Bones, GSP and so forth... and there are more coming...


From: Elvis
Member Since: 1/1/01
Posts: 18541

It doesn't change what these guys achieved in their time... It's just now another time... as everyone says... it will happen again... I don't think it's all age as a few of the old guard guys are not even close to out of their prime. It's just a new generation of fighters with the knowlege and experience of the old guard applied to the training of today and greater atheletes.

I think Anderson is a generation crossover. He's part of the old guard while also being part of the new guard. He's kind of in the middle. But as with anything, his time will come.



From: Elvis
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Look I'm saddened but excited, saddened because I watched and was a part of the old generation. These guys put everything in place. But I'm excited because of what these guys will bring. They will (hopefully) have more depth and bring greater excitement to the arena. I'm just glad to be here to have seen the old guard and now getting to see the change over. It is an exciting time.

There are also some guys who were "part" of the old guard, but only started to develop with or just prior to the new guard, guys like Anderson, GSP, Werdum,  and so on, some will make and it and some won't.

I'm just glad to be here to see it happen.



From: Elvis
Member Since: 1/1/01
Posts: 18543
I also think Shogun is part of the cross over... he really started to develop at the end of Pride... but he's sustained too many injuries and because of this has been inconsistent with his results (and most likely his training). With Shogun, I think he could be part of the new guard, but it seems like he trains like the old guard and because of that may be caught up with them.


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4/21/13 10:58 PM by Elvis

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