Henderson vs. Shogun official score cards

source: mmaweekly.com
 

With complete unanimity, all three judges at UFC 139 scored the first three rounds for Dan Henderson 10-9, and the next two rounds for Mauricio 'Shogun' Rua 9-10. leading to a unanious 47-48 decision for Henderson.

The point of contention is whether the fifth and final round should have been scored a 10-8, with everyone from Dana White to, well, to abouyt everyone stating that if the final round was not a 10-8, what is?

Dallas Winston recently interviwed Executive Director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission Keith Kizer about rumors that the NSAC discouraged 10-8 rounds, or 10-10 rounds.

Dallas Winston: So to put this rumor to rest, judges are in no way discouraged from offering scores other than 10-9?

Keith Kizer: "Correct."

DW: And you're OK with the use of 10-8 and 10-10 rounds?

KK: "Yes."

DW: In any state, almost every round has historically been scored 10-9, however, many feel that using more 10-10 and 10-8 scores would better reflect the different levels of dominance we see in the cage.  Do you agree or disagree, and can you explain why?

KK: "A round score should not influenced but what has happened 'historically.'  Once again I disagree with any insinuation that we should tell judges they have to give more 10-10 or 10-8 rounds.  Rather each round should be scored on its own merits, and nothing else."

The relevant text from the NSAC website reads:
C. Point Totals
1. two fighters who draw are given a score of 10-10
2. the fighter who wins a round is given a score of 10-9
3.The fighter who dominates a round is given a score of 10-8
(a score of 10-7 is possible for a dominant round)

The challenge of course is to define what separates a dominant round from a winning round. The sport needs a universally understood standard by which rounds are judged.

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Uncle Justice site profile image  

12/10/11 6:49 PM by Uncle Justice

   

Sprawl'n'Stall site profile image  

11/21/11 2:20 PM by Sprawl'n'Stall

This is why the 10 point scoring system sucks in MMA. With only 3 or 5 rounds, 10-8 and 10-7 have to be given a lot more frequently for it to make sense. In 10 or 12 round boxing matches, it makes sense, and 10-8 are given quite often anyway. MMA judging needs to be better.I had 10-8 Rd 3 for Hendo and 10-8 Rd 5 for Shogun so it would have been the same, but the judges still show how dumb they are.

rockethands33 site profile image  

11/21/11 1:52 PM by rockethands33

"Rounds should be assessed solely on their own merit based on the judging criteria in regards to the effectiveness of the action that occurred within that round; not by history or a 'request' by Commissions for more 10-8/10-10 rounds.Previous rounds have NO bearing on future rounds. Score cards are handed in after each round." -Rob Hinds, ABC Approved MMA Judge & Referee Trainer

mark9 site profile image  

11/21/11 1:03 PM by mark9

last round was def a 10-8 for shogun.mma judges dont kno shit

KKM site profile image  

11/21/11 12:27 PM by KKM

Seriously if that round was not a 10-8 round it just does not exixt. Shogun deserved the draw in that fight. He earned it. I cant stand judging in mma.

Masakyst site profile image  

11/21/11 12:13 PM by Masakyst

Shogun should have gotten a 10-8Hendo also should have gotten a 10-8In the end, the correct fighter still got the nod. The real winner? THE FANS

LayNprayNINJA site profile image  

11/21/11 10:54 AM by LayNprayNINJA

 I would argue that they knew damn well that round 5 should have been a 10-8. I would argue they also knew that a 10-8 would cause the fight to be a draw, so they all PUSSIED OUT and intentionally did not do what their job is: to accurately score each individual round based on the 10 point must criteria. Pathetic

MagSlim site profile image  

11/21/11 10:17 AM by MagSlim

When you say 'dominate' there is no better way to express that in a black and white way than to hold the most dominant position, mount, for the majority of the round.If MMA is ever clear cut it's in obtaining and maintaining dominant positions through wrestling and bjj. That's what Shogun did.Did the judges understand this, apparently not.

sweepnchoke site profile image  

11/21/11 9:02 AM by sweepnchoke

I had at least 2 of the rounds being easy 10-8, rnd5 for shogun, and possibly 2 rounds for Hendo. So the judges decision picked the right winner IMHO, but any judge that scored rnd 5 a 10-9 should be fired on the spot for incompitance. And the fact that ALL 3 scored rnd 5 as a 10-9 just speaks volumes on how miserable MMA judging is.

Proteus The Invincible site profile image  

11/21/11 8:56 AM by Proteus The Invincible

I think Dan clearly won the fight. They had a 10-8 each, but the judges just chose to score them both as 10-9, so it didn't end up making any difference. I can't understand how anybody would score round five a 10-8, but also not give Dan the 10-8 for wrecking Shogun in round three.