Who invented the Octagon?

 

A lot has changed since UFC 1, but one thing remains the same - the iconic Octagon.

Years ago one of the guys at my gym in Western Massachusetts said he just talked to the owner of a fencing business three towns over, and the guy built the original Octagon. Another time at an early UFC, I met a lively character, heavy SC accent, who said he was a Gracie, and built all the early Octagons, as "Uncle Ho-Ryan asked me to." Kazja Patschull, who used to be married to Appolonia Kotero, posted on the UG for ten years that HE had invented the Octagon.

The conventional wisdom is that the Octagon was conceived by Conan director (and Gracie student/father in Law) John Miius.

Now ESPN's Jake Rossen has crafted a must-read piece for all old school MMA fans, on the origin of the Octagon.

Who is the father of the Octagon is complex, with a number of the figures potentially owning parentage, including:
•Art Davie, UFC co-founder
•John Milius, movie director
•Michael Pillot, SEG producer
•Greg Harrison, production designer
•Jason Cusson, art director
•Greg "Kazja" Patschull, character

Some facts are nearly universally agreed upon.

Rorion Gracie and Art Davie conceived of the UFC, and didn't want a ring. They brought in movie director John Millius for creative input.

Gracie and Davie cut a deal with Semaphore Entertainment Group to put on a PPV show centered on no rules fighting. SEG producer Michael Pillot tasked production designer Greg Harrison with design of the enclosure, who in turn put art director Jason Cusson in charge of constructing it.

The final design was an eight-sided cage.

Although Milius was unavailable for comment due to health issues, his friend Leonard Brady is prepared to swear in court that the conventional story is correct - that it is Milius's design.

"He came up with that key idea," said Brady. "He told Rorion, 'No, make it an octagon, a chain-link fence.'"

However, Gracie has no recollection of the conversation, and Brady's account comes only from Milius.

So if it wasn't Milius, who was it?

SEG producer Michael Pillot says he suggested the octagonal shape.

"I said, 'We need an octagon,'" recalled Pillot. "That happened in a meeting with Rorion and Art. I felt like you should go from four sides, like in boxing, to eight."

However, Davie has no recollection of this conversation.

Further, Greg Harrison, who all agree was charged with designing the fighting area, says bluntly that the design is his.

"(Pillot) didn't come up with the idea of an eight-sided octagon-shaped fighting surface," said Harrison. "And didn't provide any input to my Octagon design or any of my other UFC designs. He never provided any input to any of my set designs. He was a producer."

While claiming the shape is his, Pillot concedes that the actual design is not.

"No one but Greg should take credit for this design," said Pillot.

All agree that the first Octagon was fabricated by Jason Cusson. Cusson claims his inspiration came from Chuck Norris's 1980 film "The Octagon" and that he invented the Octagon.

"I had no martial arts background," said Cusson. "The reason there's an Octagon is because of Chuck Norris."

"(Harrison and I) were working together," said Cusson. "He told me he was busy, so we brainstormed. I said, 'How about an octagon? There was this martial arts movie ...' It was that easy. Greg was the point man on the project, but the actual design of the thing came from me."

Harrison bluntly discounts that telling.

"It's interesting that all of the people claiming to have conceived the Octagon aren't designers, yet somehow they all came up with the Octagon design," said Harrison.

It would seem on balance that production designer Greg Harrison is the likely father of the Octagon, except for one inconvenient fact.

In early 1993, many months before SEG contacted Harrison, Greg "Kazja" Patschull put on a martial arts demonstration and pro wrestling show at UC Irvine, in an eight-sided cage.

Art Davie and Rorion Gracie were in the audience.

"I was interested to see if anyone had figured out how to stage a no-holds-barred event in California," said Davie. "I brought Royce Gracie with me. When Royce saw it was a 'work' and not a 'shoot,' he got bored quickly and we left within 20 minutes. To this day, I don't remember what Kazja's ring looked like."

Kazja, often dismissed as a UG troll, isn't buying it.

"All I need to say is what I created in 1993," said Patschull. "I created it for the sport."

So go read Jake Rossen's awesome piece, and come back and then come back and post who you think invented the Octagon.

Maybe Kazja will join in.

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MMA Playwrite site profile image  

5/24/13 8:33 PM by MMA Playwrite

For Kazja:

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5/24/13 7:40 PM by kazja13

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kazja13 site profile image  

5/24/13 7:36 PM by kazja13

LMFAO at these wild claims I am so over them trying to lie and claim. The first UFC fighter recruitment letter states they are going to do the event in a wooden pit designed by millius. My event was February 1993 there was November 1993. I was the first. Also my design was used in Shootfighter the movie filmed in 1992. LMAO at these claims.Why can I use the OCTAGON with no interference from the UFC octagon Imitators then if I didn't originate the Octagon. http://www.octagonoctane.com http://www.octagonnation.com

Joshua King site profile image  

5/23/13 9:36 PM by Joshua King

Chuck Norris doesn't use techniques,he collaborates with them.

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5/23/13 9:29 PM by brody3316

Al Gore

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5/23/13 7:35 PM by ChicagoTom

Kazja13 and UFC tacos!!!

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5/23/13 7:34 PM by UGCTT_CreepysStacheWax

A recovery chuck norris has already used

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5/23/13 7:30 PM by clattymine

LOL.. brilliant recovery.

IP site profile image  

5/23/13 7:21 PM by IP

My money would be on this, as to where the idea came from.